Ball rupture....

This came up today on my recert. Dropped ball unless it's a PK and it hasn't being touched or hit the goal posts, then is a retake of PK.

 

My daughter asked an interesting question: "Did the referee blow the whistle before the player picked the ball up with his hands?" Obviously, common sense refereeing would dictate that you, as referee, just declare that play stopped when the ball became unplayable and not punish the handling, but it's something to consider, especially if the problem with the ball wasn't quite so obvious.

 

Had that on my recert this year, too...

 

It doesn't matter when the ref blows the whistle, it is literally a dead ball. When the ball is ruptured, it immediately becomes a dead ball situation, whether you noticed it or not...... so you better have a damn good sprint time to your car if you are gonna call handling on that. I have had a ruptured ball once and I didn't notice it immediately but the players around the ball stopped and one picked it up and said it was dead. I blew my whistle for handling immediately and then confirmed that the ball was ruptured, thusly restarting with a dropped ball. No problems.

 

A better question would be, if a player kicks the ball and it ruptures on the way to goal. Keeper is not near and has no chance. The ball goes in. What is your call?

 

Ruptured ball is still a dead ball. Doesn't matter if it is on the way to the goal. Restart with a dropped kick.

 

The same, Dropped ball!

 

Any ruptured ball in play, with the exception of PK, restarts with dropped ball no matter where, what, how, when, and why. It is that clear cut and dry.

 

lol who voted for "play on"

 

Probably someone who wants to play with an oblate spheroid.

 

Maybe when we used the word rupture, we have the image of a ball that is completely shattered. It would be very easy to call a drop ball then.

Have you ever had to deal with the ball which just lost its air and went flat a little? Just enough to not be able to continue to play on? How about one of those which still retained its shape pretty well which went into goal? Have you ever had to make one of those calls before?

 

"Harass them! Harass them! Coerce them to surrender the oblate spheroid! Rah Harvard!"

IIRC

 

Remember reading once were a Spanish fan SHOT the ball before it rolled across his home team's goal line. I believe it was around the turn of the century (1900)

Drop ball??



I think I'd ABANDON THE MATCH first!!

 

Maybe this is a silly question, but what constitutes that the ball has ruptured? Is that a busted seam? a deflated ball? a ball that has a slow leak? A ball that has exploded because a sniper took it out?

 

All the above!

 

I had a ball go dead at a tournament a few weeks ago mid first half. Faulty valve and you could hear it sound "flat" midway thru first half. Replaced it on throw in.

 

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This happened over the weekend. Unfortunately, it does not show the restart.

 

Many, many, many moons ago - when I still did a little adult soccer - I had this. As I recall, a player kicked the ball out of play and then turned and said to me "the ball is flat." I restarted with a throw-in (and new ball); no problems. Didn't have to deal with the ball being "still in play" so to speak.

 

I think, in this case, the correct terminology would be "deflate spheroid".

 

This year I had a game with U13 or U14B.
Big cross/ shot came in from the right, a defender stopped the ball dead right outside the 6 yd line. He got one foot right on top the ball but he stopped playing. I didn't know why he stopped, no one knew why he stopped. He then pointed to the ball and called out, "Ref, the ball is flat".
The ball looked fine from 15 yds away but I blew the whistle, ran over, picked the ball up and it was indeed a little flat such that you could not use it. We replaced the ball and I dropped the ball to that player. We continued on, no problem.

That situation made me wonder, what if the defender had not stopped the ball and it went directly into goal? The attacking team, coaches, parents would all be cheering for the goal. The defending team would have conceded the goal. The ref team would be writing down the score. Everyone would be setting up for a kick-off restart.

No one would have known the ball had gone flat, until someone picked it out from the back of the net!

What would you have done then?

 

Are you suggesting:
1) If the ball was flat when it entered the goal or before it entered the goal, you would have called a drop ball?

2) If the ball went flat after it entered the goal, you would have awarded the goal?

Why did you choose #2 ?