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Discussion in 'Asian Football Confederation' started by druryfire, Apr 2, 2008.
Are there news about the football situation in Indonesia ?
Thursday, April 21, 2016
A Glimmer Of Hope For Indonesian Football
Slowly but surely Indonesian football is getting things together. Finally the president has over ruled those interfering busy bodies BOPI and the transition team and decreed the Indonesia Soccer Championship can go ahead and if all goes to plan Persipura will host Persija in the opening game at the end of April.
The fact the government is giving signals it is prepared to recognise football again will surely be a good sign as the PSSI prepares to meet FIFA next month. But there is still a long way to go. The Indonesia Super League was organised by an outfit called Liga Indonesia. The ISC will be organised by GTS...same coffee, different tin. In effect nothing of substance has really changed if reform was really the goal.
The whole dispute began, officially at least, with BOPI refusing to allow Arema and Persebaya to compete in the ISL last season saying there were concerns over the ownership of the two football clubs dating back to the breakaway league of 2011 when we had two clubs sharing the name but with different owners.
Arema are still Arema. Persebaya have gone through a series of tortuous name changes over the last 12 months following a court ruling that said they could not use that name. Persebaya is one of the biggest names in Indonesian football but local fans saw that particular incarnation as Persikubar, a team parachuted into their city and given their name in a bid to attract their support. The plan failed of course and Persebaya became Persebaya United. In the middle of one tournament they changed names again to Bonek FC in another futile bid to appeal to the fans.
That of course failed and they became Surabaya United perhaps not fully realising the full meaning of United. Now of course, after a large share holding was bought by PS Polri, they will be known as Surabaya United Bhayangkara. Or SU Bhayangkara. And play in Sidoarjo. Maybe.
The official problems then have not been dealt with but perhaps another problem has gone away.
Politics aside, difficult in Indonesian football, Persebaya's metamorphosis into SU Bhayangkara is just the latest in a series of consolidations among clubs that have happened in recent years as local taxpayer stopped funding clubs and new laws prevented tobacco giants sponsoring the game and they had to find means of supporting themselves.
This season's ISC features a number of new clubs of old clubs in new guises. Bali United and Pusamania Borneo are two that spring to mind and it is ironic they both come from the same source, Persisam. But they are also at the figurehead of a new breed of club looking to be run along professional lines. While traditional names like Persik, Persija, Persis and PSIS struggle hand to mouth Bali United and Pusamania have sought to put in place sustainable business models and have actively sought sponsors to ease the cash flow burdens.
They have also, as befits fresh young clubs, embraced technology and social media to keep their name out there. Far from the traditional Persi/Perse with their batik wearing, kretek smoking government officials making decisions they are unsuited and untrained for, the new breed of owners have developed clubs as brands and as representing their communities and the fans have responded, turning out in large numbers for friendlies and the like.
Further conciliation ahead of the ISC has seen PS TNI take over Persiram and the end of the name Pelita in local football as the club that has long struggled for support finally gave up its name and its licence was bought by the previous owners of Persepam MU. They were relegated and the Pelita 'brand' continues in the top flight as Madura United.
Weak or poorly managed clubs are going to the wall or struggling while the likes of Persib, Arema, Persipura and Sriwijaya are at the vanguard of the new era; financially savvy off the pitch and well run on it.
And sponsors are flocking to the game in numbers we have never seen before. When I started watching Indonesian football we had a cup competition sponsored by a tobacco firm and a league sponsored by a tobacco firm. That can't happen any more. Instead last season's aborted campaign saw a Qatar bank give its name to the ISL and the string of tournaments that had little meaning beyond the shores of Indonesia had little difficulty attracting sponsors who, finally, saw the potential of the most popular game in the land. The ISC for example,is sponsored by an Indonesia coffee maker whose products and advertising I have seen in recent trips to Kuwait and Jordan.
Clubs, belatedly, have seen the potential in merchandise with most now at least cashing in on replica shirts and some like Persib and Bali United boasting thriving retail outlets. And they are securing sponsors in ways that haven't happened before. Before a club would consider itself lucky if they could get a state owned enterprise involved. Now they are getting more ambitious in the market place and while they haven't quite reached out to the multi nationals in the same way clubs have in Thailand for example who needs to when you have a domestic market of 200 million.
Yes, there are reasons to be positive about Indonesian football. But we need to be cautious. Some of the changes I have highlighted have been commercial and fan led and that has to be good. But politics is never far away and don't forget the same people are still involved though perhaps not as strongly as even a few years back. At the end of April the PSSI will hold its next meeting and that will be critical. The head of the body is apparently on the run after being linked with a corruption scandal and his passport has been revoked. Till now the mumblings from the PSSI have been nothing has changed and he is still in charge.
That needs to change. May sees a FIFA meet in Mexico and while we may joke about how the PSSI chief may be burnishing his credentials for a top job within the body if the PSSI may be taking a more lenient view of Indonesia following government sanction of the new competition that tolerance may evaporate if the Indonesian contingent arrive at the congress claiming that yes, he is still in charge and we see no reason to change.
If the PSSI can come out of their congress in Balikpapan with a new chief agreeable to all parties then they can go to Mexico confident FIFA can see change has been effected and they can be allowed back into the world game, with a view to competing in the ASEAN Football Federation Championship later this year. Stick with the guy on the lam and we could see a generation of players frozen out of international football for months to come.
Apparently the PSSI chief La Nyall Mattalitti is on the run amid allegations of corruption from the government. If he is no longer the PSSI president in May in time for the Mexico FIFA congress, they can petition FIFA for reinstatement. If he is not replaced, there might be no resolution for sometime.
Infantino met a delegation from Indonesia that included Erick Thohir, chairman of the Indonesian Olympic Committee, and Agum Gumelar, chairman of the PSSI, Indonesia's football association.
According to a FIFA statement, discussions were "fruitful" with a "genuine desire" to find a solution to the impasse.
"The objective of the meeting at the home of FIFA in Zurich was to discuss various issues linked to the situation of the PSSI," the statement said.
"In-depth and very fruitful discussions were held and all parties shared the genuine desire to resolve the suspension of the PSSI as soon as possible."
Indonesia on Saturday welcomed FIFA’s decision to end the country’s year-long ban from world football over government interference, saying it hoped for more transparency in the sport.
FIFA president Gianni Infantino announced Friday that Indonesia had been reinstated after Jakarta sent a letter notifying that it had lifted sanctions on national football body, the PSSI.
Indonesia has been without a national football competition for the better part of a year, after a feud between the PSSI and its sports ministry saw the top-grade tournament suspended.
“We hope the lifting of the ban will push the nation to improve its national football, especially in regards to revamping its organisational management, increasing transparency, accountability and enhancing a more harmonious relationship with the various stakeholders,” Indonesia’s sports ministry said in a statement.
It suggested that FIFA’s decision was the result of the “good relationship” that has developed between Indonesia and football’s world governing body since Infantino took charge.
Asian Football Confederation president Sheikh Salman bin Ebrahim Al Khalifa also applauded the move.
“We welcome them (Indonesia) back into the Asian football family,” he said in a statement.
“However, the AFC executive committee reiterated this week their continued stand against government intervention in sport generally and football in particular.”
AFC officials will meet their Indonesian counterparts to discuss next steps regarding competition matters, the statement said.
Indonesia launched an interim eight-month competition in April, but the sports ministry said this was not a replacement for its top-flight league.
What about the Asia Cup 2019 ?
They should be able to participate in all competitions starting with the Suzuki Cup later this year. However they will not be able to participate in the 2019 Asia Cup, as they did not go through the qualifiers this year, because of their suspension.
The big ones are the AFF Youth competitions for me. Getting the young players involved again is critical.
Yes they should be able to participate in those as well. They have only been suspended a year. They should be able to recover and catch up fairly easily in my opinion if they manage their programs right.
Manage their programs right.....in Indonesia !!!!!
Assuming they get their act together and competing rival organizations not setting up their own league that is.
Australia is sending their U20 side. Team B4 is Timor Leste.
AFF SMART U16: Fabulous start for Vietnam and Singapore
PHNOM PENH (10 July 2016) – Vietnam and Singapore made a fabulous start to their campaign in Group A of the AFF Smart Under-16 Championship when they each overcame their opponents with relative ease to take control of the group.
Vietnam whitewashed Malaysia 3-0 to lead Group A while Singapore overcame the Philippines 3-1 at the National Olympic Stadium to take second spot.
In the other match that was played across town at the Army Stadium, Australia were lucky to escape with a 1-1 draw by a gritty Myanmar side.
Singapore were first to the pitch where after the early exchanges saw Rezza Rizky Ramadhani Yacobian slotting home the lead after 24 minutes for them to be 1-0 in front at the half.
Six minutes after the restart, Joel Chew doubled the advantage for Singapore as Muhammad Syahadat Masnawi then put the game beyond reach with the third goal of the game in the 64th minute.
Philippines pulled a goal back through captain Fidel Tacardon but it failed to ignite a revival as the score remained to the end.
In the meantime, Vietnam need not suffer such drama against the uninspired Malaysians where a robust start saw Nguyen Khac Khiem delivering the lead after just six minutes with a drive from inside the box.
The hapless Malaysian defence was punished yet again in the 68th minute through Nguyen Trong Long before Nguyen Huu Thang finished things off deep in injury time.
On the other hand, Australia were up against a gritty side from Myanmar who survived a relentless onslaught to take the lead through Hein Htet Aung in the 65th minute off a clever break from Win Naing Tun.
But the lead was to last just three minutes as Jacob Italiano then slammed in the equalising goal.
Myanmar 1 Australia 1
Philippines 1 Singapore 3
Malaysia 0 Vietnam 3
FIXTURES – 11 July 2016
(Both matches at the National Olympic Stadium)
1530: Brunei vs Timor Leste
1830: Cambodia vs Laos
AFF Suzuki Cup draw: Malaysia to avoid Thailand in group stage
Malaysia will avoid regional powerhouse Thailand in the year-ending AFF Suzuki Cup group stage, unlike the previous two editions where the defending champions and runners-up met in the round-robin.
The AFF Suzuki Cup draw on August 2 will place Malaysia and Thailand in Pot 2, allowing them to avoid each other in the group stage.
The two countries are the top seeds of the 2016 edition due to their performance in the previous two years, where Thailand won the 2014 edition and finished runners-up in 2012 while Malaysia were runners-up last time out and reached the last-four four years ago.
In the 2014 edition, 2012 finalists Singapore and Thailand were drawn in group B while 2010 finalists Malaysia and Indonesia faced each other in Kuala Lumpur.
Co-host Philippines and Myanmar will be in Pot 1 while Singapore and Vietnam are in Pot 3.
Asean Football Federation (AFF) general-secretary Datuk Azzuddin Ahmad confirmed Indonesia – who were under a FIFA ban from June 2015 to last May – will gain automatic entry into the competition and will be placed in Pot 4 alongside a qualifier.
Indonesia are ranked sixth in the AFF ranking but there were suggestions that the Garudas may have to go through the qualifiers as seventh-ranked Myanmar have an automatic spot by virtue of being co-hosts.
Previously the qualifying round offered two places in the tournament proper. Laos, Timor Leste, Cambodia and Brunei compete in the qualifiers in Cambodia in October.
The 2016 AFF Suzuki Cup commences on November 19 and the two-legged final on December 14 and 17.
Pot 1: Philippines & Myanmar
Pot 2: Thailand & Malaysia
Pot 3: Singapore & Vietnam
Pot 4: Indonesia & Qualifier
Read more at http://www.fourfourtwo.com/my/news/...void-thailand-group-stage#lDii0XBklFtW2KbR.99
Hopefully Australia does not withdraw this time to the U 19 AFF Championship, like they did in the 2015 edition after failing to qualify to the U20 World Cup last year.
Aussies will join this tourney for sure. Youth tournament like this are the only chance for them to played in Asean tourney.
Senior team is however likely to compete in EAFF Cup. Surprisingly they are actually based in AFF . (Asean Football Federation)
They can't compete in the EAFF Cup anymore after officially joining the AFF(makes most sense geographically and the subconfederation that the AFC assigned them to). The men's team has not been joining the AFF Championship where they would dominate, but they have indeed been joining the AFF youth tournaments where they don't always do as well. They withdrew from the 2015 AFF U19 tournament, after failing to make it out of their group in the AFC U 19 Championships losing to both China and Vietnam. Without a World U20 Youth Championships to prepare for, they decided to disband their team. I think they thought their team wasn't ready and didn't want to get embarrassed in a lower rated tournament.
Frankly, I don't like the fact that they get to pick and choose what AFF tournaments they join. It singles them out among all the AFF members.
There was a chance of Australia pulling out again, after the head-coach of the Under 19 team, was just appointed to lead the Central Coast Mariners, but the FFA have now quickly appointed a replacement, and plans are still under way to get to Vietnam for the AFF U19's.
The squad has been named and they left a few days ago to prepare.
I think it is unfair that Australia picks and chooses the tournaments that best suit its needs to attend, but the theory behind it is if the team no longer has a goal to prepare for, Asian or World Youth tournaments, then the players are better off staying at their club sides then competing in ASEAN tournaments. Whether this is correct i'm not sure but it's there opinion.
Updated schedule for AFF U19
Australian football magazine rates ASEAN's top managers
Regarding Australia picking and choosing their tournaments. Well, to be frank. I wouldn't have them as members and i'd invite them like AFF use to do with Japan, Iran, Uzbekistan in the every other year editions.
Brunei have also withdrawn, so it's not just an Australian issue.
Well Australia have started with two wins in the AFF u19 tournament, and no goals conceded yet.
I think their game against Thailand should be a cracker.
Malayasia look strongest in the other group.
Well Australia won the u19 Competition by beating Thailand 5-1 in the final. Ironically Thailand beat Australia by the same margin a few days before in the group stages. If anything the young teams are very inconsistent!!
Congratulations to Australia. I hope they participate regularly in this events.
How Timor-Leste, like others, (probably) flouted FIFA’s eligibility rules
Interesting read ... would have been a little more interesting had a major country tried this. How'd they get around the having to be in a country for X years??? I thought it was more involved then simply getting a passport to play for a country.