Arsenal v. Brentford - Saturday, February 11, 2023, 1500 GMT

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  1. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Arsenal
    Jan 14, 2006
    Nashville
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  2. Rewinder

    Rewinder Member+

    Jun 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Eddie is not a target man, he doesn't contribute to the build up, and he is not lethal enough for a team to carry him.

    He had a little bit of a purple patch, but he is completely ineffective against any organized defense, or competent defender. He would have been a good player 25 years ago when everyone played 4-4-2, but he has no room playing a lone striker at this level.
     
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  3. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Between this, drawing the line on the wrong Brighton player in the other match, and the missed handball against Chelsea, Howard Webbs incompetence in running his VAR team is costing teams goals and costing teams points and its now getting very close to the line of "its TOO incompetent to be incompetence", we have to seriously now consider its either malicious against specific teams or its corruption.
     
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  4. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Honestly we have to probably consider playing Martinelli centrally against teams with a packed defence and playing Trossard wide, because Eddie last few games have show the massive vulnerabilities he has.
     
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  5. Rewinder

    Rewinder Member+

    Jun 24, 2004
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    As for VAR - not surprising in the slightest. The premier league is more scripted than WWE, but the shiny package has everyone fooled into thinking its legitimate.

    You could have subs sneaking on to the field to whack players with steel chairs and still have a more believable game than we have had over the last decade.
     
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  6. footykid

    footykid Member+

    Jan 10, 2005
    Mississauga, Ont
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Toney straight up two hand shoves he's closest defender in the back before heading home.
     
  7. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Lee Mason and whoever was on VAR for the Brighton match should be fired immediately. Completely inexcusable.

    Imagine the fallout if this happened in another profession. "Sorry, boss, forgot to put in a support beam and the roof collapsed. Human error!"

    ********ing ridiculous.
     
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  8. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    I worked as a draftsman and even that would have you fired.


    "Sorry boss I forgot to send final drafts without the important line in it."
     
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  9. Super Llama

    Super Llama Member+

    May 21, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    IDK if I can keep watching a sport where the refs just "forget" to do basic shit so frequently. Just catastrophic error after error
     
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  10. ArsenalJake

    ArsenalJake Member+

    Feb 11, 2013
    Charlotte
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unrep
     
  11. ArsenalJake

    ArsenalJake Member+

    Feb 11, 2013
    Charlotte
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow. Just wow with the comments this evening. We weren't robbed by the officials. When teams compete, there are winners and losers. In soccer, sometimes it's a draw.

    But damn, if it's easier for you to believe there was a conspiracy that led to your team not prevailing on the day, then I don't think you're into sport as much as you're into something else. Figure it out before Wednesday, because Wednesday is going to be a competition, not a drama.
     
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  12. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    I don't believe in a EPL conspiracy, but VAR officials incompetence gave Brentford a goal they didn't deserve. VAR officials over the course of a game did not have that much to do, and yet they still found a way to completely ******** up on the occasions they were required. The sooner they bring in the offsides that don't rely on VAR to be run by referees who are not fit to have their jobs the better.

    How long til a VAR ******** up costs a team a win that costs a player or manager their job at the club? Because with the increased frequency of VAR mistakes it will not be long until we see it.
     
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  13. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Butterfly effect and all, but a goal-line tech failure led to Bournemouth being relegated in 2020. That's an error that cost them tens of millions, led to Eddie Howe getting sacked.

    What was the fallout from that?
     
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  14. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    the last decade?

    oh my sweet summer child
     
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  15. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    amazing stuff
     
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  16. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    There’s no such thing as too incompetent. Though it’s a little horrifying that Lee Mason screwed up this badly while being a full time VAR referee.
     
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  17. Sian

    Sian Member

    Dec 4, 2011
    as a Bee, I'd be more than willing to agree that the given goal shouldn't have been given, but I'd counter-argue the point that the foul annulling Mbeumo's goal in the first half was never a foul.

    1-1 was probably a fair'ish result (Arsenal had all of the ball, Brentford had just about all the great chances, specially in first half, where it could've easily have been 0-3 at HT) but it was the wrong Brentford goal that counted
     
  18. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    [​IMG]
    Not his first time...
     
  19. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Football corruption
     
  20. Jamooky

    Jamooky Member+

    Mar 24, 2006
    Cleveland, OH USA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    wonder how much betting $ was lost/won based on Lee Mason's "memory"?
     
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  21. leppercut

    leppercut Member+

    Oct 10, 2006
    SLC and Anchorage
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.espn.com/soccer/english...entford-vs-arsenal-brighton-vs-crystal-palace
     
  22. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’d rather Trossard central. He’s a better analogue for Jesus in build-up.
     
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  23. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was a foul --- he's grabbing Gabriel's shirt and pulling him down as he's already off balance. And even at best it's a subjective decision no matter how you cut it, sometimes it gets called sometimes it doesn't. That's a lot different than a VAR official just not drawing lines that would have objectively lead to the correct no goal call. The two things aren't anywhere close to being the same.

    Whether Brentford deserved anything or not is irrelevant. If you've read through this thread, you've seen that most of us agree Brentford played well and had better chances overall. But so what. As Arsenal supporters we don't have enough fingers or toes to count the times we dominated matches and either only got a draw or even sucker-punched by a counter and lost (especially in the Wenger era). Our complaints then were met with "too bad, you need to put the ball in the net."
     
  24. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The goal they scored was illegitimate. It doesn’t mean there’s a ‘conspiracy’ against Arsenal, but it couldn’t be any clearer that officiating effected the outcome of the match.
     
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  25. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's the old trope "never assume nefariousness to what can more easily be chalked up to incompetence...." Or something along those lines.
     
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