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Discussion in 'World Cup 2014 - Knockout Rounds' started by bungadiri, Jul 11, 2014.
Don't forget Maradona crying after the 1990 Final, that was better than the game itself.
Guido also earned the nickname Diego in that tournament
The two are like blood brothers. Same player type. They even look similar.
it is hard to defeat fifa favorite team, argentina would have been the winner if this
game was played in the republic of plato!
they dont have messi nor maradona but they have havelange and blatter
Cool story Mr. Troll.
rizzoli&codesal singlehandedly managed to make Argentinians come of as bitter whining losers who can't deal with defeat. Congratulations you, way to represent.
And oh yeah... we have this too........
we dont whine, we speak the truth which was spoken many times either by germans like schuemacher or fifa officials like havelange. you just have to accept the bitter realty of your team being the MASTER OF DOPING
Doping Study Throws Shadow Over Germany’s Success
By ROB HUGHES
Published: August 6, 2013
It is bad enough being a New York Yankees follower, now that Alex Rodriguez is finally discredited for, in the words of Major League Baseball, “use and possession of numerous forms of prohibited, performance-enhancing substances.”
But what is coming out of Berlin, following a study that looks back to most peoples’ childhood and beyond, means that even our cherished memories might no longer hold credibility.
Germany is historically one of the most revered soccer powers on earth. Its athleticism versus Brazil’s hypnotic beauty or Italy’s tactical nous dominated World Cups over the past 60 years.
Germans — previously as West Germans — always seemed so indomitable in their belief that to run the extra mile meant victory. I recall Franz Beckenbauer, the only man ever to be captain of a World Cup winning side (1974), to coach one (1990) and to organize one (2006), telling me where his inspiration came from. “I was a child of 8,” he said, “when West Germany came from behind to beat the Magical Magyars, Hungary, in the 1954 World Cup.” That final in Switzerland became known as The Miracle of Bern, and the 8-year-old Beckenbauer was on the streets to welcome the team, and his particular idol, captain Fritz Walter, when they brought home the trophy.
That, surely, is how sports grips us.
The innocence of childhood filled with the skills, the running and the spirit of our heroes.
Alas, a German government release Monday of some — but by no means all — of a 500-page study titled “Doping in Germany from 1950 to Today” lays bare the extent of drug use. And it breaks down the walls that some of us have built around our memories of how things were in “the good old days.”
Researchers at Humboldt University in Berlin and the University of Münster have detailed, among many other things, the doping of soccer players. It includes players on the 1966 West Germany side that lost one of the most venerated of all finals, in extra time against England in London in 1966.
It states that a FIFA official, Mihailo Andrejevic, wrote to the German Athletic Association regarding slight traces of the banned stimulant ephedrine in three of Germany’s players in that match.
FIFA has denied any knowledge of that letter. But its contents are in any case the tip of a monstrously large iceberg of alleged misuse throughout sports over the decades in Germany. The knowledge that East Germany systematically abused athletes by giving them dope from childhood to the top stages of world and Olympic sports appears to have been matched by West Germany.
In soccer, this preceded, according to the report, the teams that Beckenbauer graced as the most elegant of “liberos,” the free-moving defender who could attack when he set his mind to it.
His cherished memory of 1954 is now questioned by the study’s report that players in Berne were given Pervitin, an amphetamine. It was commonly known as “speed” in sporting circles, and as “Panzer chocolate” because it had been developed to help make Nazi pilots and soldiers fly or fight for longer and better.
One aspect in the report that makes for chilling reading is that all of the players who took the dose were injected with a shared syringe. And one, the winger Richard Herrmann, died eight years later, of cirrhosis at the age of 39.
So the grim catalog goes on. It impinges on each of the three World Cups — 1966, 1970 and 1974 — for which “der Kaiser” Beckenbauer played so artistically and so competitively.
It relates to ephedrine being used by members of the 1966 World Cup team. Ephedrine is one of those drugs that can be used as a decongestant, a common cold cure, but also as a stimulant.
The study goes into the whole pharmacy of drugs used to corrupt sporting performance — including anabolic steroids and testosterone. It states that the Bonn government funded the institutional push to match what was happening across the wall, and, tellingly, to match America.
The authors quote a sports federation official saying in the early 1990s: “Coaches always told me that if you don’t take anything, then you will not become something. Anyone who became something was taking it.” It, apparently, was testosterone.
Germany’s government paid a lot for the study, but its full publication remains hampered by privacy and legal issues.
And some sections of the research, relating to athletes from the late 1990s onward, remain unpublished.
Indeed, it took a leak of the findings, in the Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper over the weekend, to flush out what has been disclosed thus far.
But this Pandora’s box, once opened, will not remain secret.
The rights of the athletes and players who were clean demands full disclosure.
Soccer looks less clean today than I believed it to be. The odd player risking a stimulant was bound to be in the system. But soccer’s defense was, and is, that it requires quick reactions as well as stamina, and that no single drug gives you both.
Now, though, Beckenbauer’s adulation of the Miracle of Bern is damaged. It would be nice, but hard, to share the opinion of Thomas Bach, the president of the German Olympic Sports Confederation and a candidate for the International Olympic Committee leadership next month: “This,” he said, “is a good day for the fight against doping.” But a bad day for sporting memories held dear.
this is how you play soccer. and this is how you win
bechenbauer did not win anything, he only lifted the cups of two fixed
tournaments. i would have lifted them if I played in the squad instead of bechenbauer
Former FIFA President Joao Havelange has made some quite sensational, and potentially damaging, allegations by claiming that the 1966 and 1974 World Cups were fixed so that England and Germany would win respectively.
By punching balls with a GK?
Yep, by having Germany's football player of the year in goal.
Einsatz gegen Higuain
Zwayer: Neuer hatte hier "sehr viel Glück"
Aktualisiert: 17.07.2014 - 15:12
Manuel Neuer hatte bei der Bewertung dieser Aktion gegen Gonzalo Higuain laut Schiedsrichter Felix Zwayer "sehr viel Glück"!.
Grassau - Manuel Neuer hatte nach Meinung der deutschen Schiedsrichterei bei seinem Einsteigen gegen Argentiniens Stürmer Gonzalo Higuain im WM-Finale eine gehörige Portion Glück.
„Die Entscheidung Stürmerfoul hat mich sehr überrascht. Das ist für uns ein Strafstoß und Gelb“, sagte Deutschlands Schiedsrichter des Jahres Felix Zwayer (Berlin) am Rande des Lehrgangs der Schiedsrichter aus Bundesliga und 2. Liga in Grassau am Chiemsee.
Der aus seinem Tor geeilte Neuer hatte den Ball in der fraglichen Szene in der 57. Minute des Endspiels weggefaustet, Higuain dabei allerdings umgerempelt. „Deutschland hat sehr viel Glück gehabt in dieser Situation“, meinte der frühere Referee Hellmut Krug, der inzwischen der „Schiedsrichter-Kommission Elite“ des Deutschen Fußball-Bundes (DFB) angehört. Krug attestierte Neuer „übermäßigen Körpereinsatz“, der Torhüter habe seinen Gegenspieler „voll erwischt“. Krug teilte deshalb Zwayers Meinung zum in dieser Situation erforderlichen Strafmaß.
Ahh, so this is where the troll has been flushed to now.
Higuain knew that Neuer was going to get to the ball first and that he himself had no chance of winning yet he kept on running knowing that Neuer will jump to punch the ball.
On the other side of the pitch Argentina's goal keeper caught a ball and lifted his leg up straight. But, unlike Higuain, Klose is smart enough not to go for such a ball against a goal keeper.
Would you also like to talk about the hit on Kramer or the smack in the face of Schweini by Aguero or the multiple fouls that could've already been 2nd yellows?
Please guys, ignore that guy, he has only ever been in one thread where he constantly demonised all things German, the thread was closed and he was warned. Now he jumped over here to continue. He's clearly either a troll or conducting a social experiment to see how much trash posting he can get away with. Don't feed him, don't rationally argue with him, just pretend he's not there.
Or what should have been a straight red at the beginning of the match like Howedes against Zabaleta
Tit for tat.
Garay's reckless play against Kramer came first IIRC.
Garay's play was accidental, and can you tell me how many times an opponent has been knocked out with a shoulder to the jaw?
You actually believe that was accidental? LOL.
I'm in the US right now and almost the whole place was cheering at the nasty Hoewedes tackle and Neuer's ownage of Higuain. The place was very neutral in the beginning too. They loved the tit for tat.
Accidental? Seriously? Ramming straight into a opposition player with your shoulder at a high speed is accidental? Anyways, it's still a very reckless play regardless, and proves that Argentina was far from guiltless as well.
He knew exactly what he was doing. If you believe that was accidental then you've never played the game in your life.
It actually seems like pretty good teamwork from the two Argentinians to take out Kramer.