But they represent different federations. It is not illogical at all to separate success of the Canadian team from the u.s. teams, that's how CONCACAF has set it up.
Vaduz play in Switzerland League, but they represent Liechtenstein in Europe. Wellington Phoenix play in A-League, but they are a New Zeeland club and can not play in AFC competitions. Same for another asian clubs. Cardiff City and Swansea City play in English Premier League, and they can qualify in European competitions there, but nobody forgot that they are Wales clubs. So, Toronto and Montreal Impact play in MLS, but they represent CANADA in CCL. In CCL, MLS is nothing for Montreal Impact..... In CCL, they are CANADIANS !! They just play in MLS because they have no a proffesional league in Canada, and due of money ... they receive much money from MLS and can't miss them. So, stop to think that Montreal Impact is same with Seattle Sounders or LAG. They play same league, but in CCL they are different.
Hint: The Canadian teams that play in the CCL are the exact same ones that play in MLS. Same rosters, same uniforms, same everything. It's just willful idiocy to claim that the Canadian teams are better based on a couple CCL games while ignoring the hundreds and hundreds of MLS games they've played which demonstrate otherwise.
MMLS sides would get destroyed by Mexican Clubs & the American's team morale would go down eventually leading MLS to Scrub out DURING the Group Stages
Yes, you can't claim one tourney as the benchmark. US MLS vs CAN MLS in the CCL: (since 08) US WINS - 0 US 2nd Place - 1 US Losing Semi Finalist - 2 QUARTERS - 13 CAN WINS - 0 CAN WINS - 0 CAN 2nd Place - 0 CAN Losing Semi Finalist - 1 (for now... at least 2 with the the Impact, hopefully they can get farther) QUARTERS - 3
Except that was not what he said. He clearly states the CCL gives "MLS teams" an advantage. He should choose his words more carefully. And separating them is stupid for a discussion like this. You have 1 Canadian team vs. 4 American teams. And that Canadian team happened to do better, doesn't prove Canada is better at soccer. Especially since that Canadian team didn't exactly light up MLS vs. those American teams.
I agree they don't need the help... but they are benefititng from similar help that MLS gets. They face weaker competition. MLS and CR are essentially tied since 08. These two leagues are LMX ONLY competition in this tourney. The current setup LMX can sometimes face 1 (CAN MLS) team in the group stage and 3 CR teams (normally works out to just 2 CR teams). Usually LMX face 2 or 3 teams that have any hope of a result in the group stage. If COCNACAF changed the rules and used a more fair seeding system Liga MX could face more completion in the group stage. 5 MLS teams and 3 CR teams. The odds of facing these 8 teams could be greater. LMX could face up to 5 or 6 or maybe more of these teams depending on the pots or seeding. LMX losses by non LMX teams (knocked out of tourney) since 08: Seattle over UANL Alajuelense over America Alajuelense over Cruz Azul Herediano over Leon Montreal over Pachuca CR and MLS are the only teams that have a chance to knock out a LMX team. CR have done it 3 times and MLS teams have done it twice. The less Mexico sees of CR and MLS the better it is for LMX. The current setup prevents LMX for having to face at least 4 sometimes 6 of these teams depending on the draw. Edit: Loses by non LMX teams going back to 96: Saprissa over Montery Saprissa over Pachuca Alajuelense over America Alajuelense over Toluca Saprissa over Cruz Azul Kansas City over Santos Lanuna DC United over Leon DC United over Toluca Olimpia over Toluca Olimpia over Pachuca
But those teams come from the same source, again the same source (MLS) so Canadian teams being more successful (even if true) is nothing but a coincidence. Until those Canadian teams are also dominating MLS play (and they do not) its ridiculous to use the success of an MLS team that happens to be based in Canada to propose Canada as a whole get more bids. Canada has 3 MLS teams, the USA has 17. Canadian MLS teams having success in the CCL is NOT because Canada is better at soccer and therefore deserves more bids. Its a coincidence (or based on other factors beyond Canadian soccer).
for this I tell that CONCACAF must use UEFA coefficient ranking for give berths each year in continental competition. If this will be used, then MLS will have 2 or 3 clubs, few than Costa Ricans ... which play better than them Canada can't have more than 1 berth because they have not a national league.
Since 08 CR & MLS are very evenly matched. CR have done better recently in this CCL, but history shows they are very equal. Results H2H: CRC - 10 wins, 8 Loses, 4 Draws (- 3 GD) USA - 8 wins, 10 loses, 4 Draws (+3 GD) They were tied at 8 wins each until just this CCL... we are down by 2 thanks to DC
yes, very close statistics... but recent years must be counting more in CCL spots. and now, a good question : Why MLS have every year 4 spots in CCL, and Costa Rica only 2? Just due of regional countries? NASL is better than Central America? Who know it? Last champion from MLS was in 2000. Costa Rica won in 2004 and 2005 the trophy, but they remaining at 2 clubs. Why MLS have more slots than Costa Rica? Just because they are NASL, and NASL is better than Central America (just because they have Mexico there?)
The Ala/DCU series was split - 1 win apiece.... So its W9-D4-L9 for each. Your GD calculations are correct. Based on series results - USA are leading 6-5.
CR have had 3 teams in this CCL and in the last one. I am not sure why they wont in the next one? MLS is the only league to place second outside of LMX teams since 08. No other league has achieved this since the reformat to the CCL. Maybe this is the year for CR to win or come in second... but Montreal has a chance too. The potential for the US market is hard to ignore... they want to grow the tournament in the states to hopefully draw fans and the TV money. The reality is MLS does not need the CCL to be a successful league. If CCL takes off then Mexico, CR & other teams have more to gain... because of the potential TV money. MLS is located in the greatest sports country on the planet (for TV contracts and spectatorship) and these other teams want a slice of that (potential) pie.
I'm not so sure that will be the same next year. CR has 3 teams this edition because one of the Carribean teams was not able to participate so Herediano was invited to take the spot.
Costa Rica will remain with 2 clubs in CCL. They had only in 2014/15 3 teams due of champions of Belize (Central America team, not Carraibe_, because Belmopano have not a stadium which made CCL criteria. In 2015/16, 2 teams from Costa Rica and 1 from Belize will join. And how you see... all 3 clubs from Costa Rica qualify for Quarterfinals, but USA clubs (4), only 1. So, I think Costa Rica merit more than 2 slots. Costa Rica and MLS can have each 3 slots .. I think this is the best, with only Mexico 4 slots Costa Rica (CRC): Belmopan Bandits, the representative of Belize as the 2013–14 Opening Season champions and 2014 Closing Season champions, were removed from the 2014–15 CONCACAF Champions League as the FFB Stadium in Belmopan did not meet CONCACAF's stadium requirements
yes, but CCL don't help Canadians clubs to not face mexicans in groups stage. They HELP ONLY USA clubs (AMERICAN CLUBS) to have easy matches (no against mexicans), because USA is KING of the WORLD, without USA, this world can't exist , USA is the God, USA is the best... you understand now? Go and play your MLS, and let another to fight from equal to equal with any club, not make rules for help yourself. Why canadians, Costa Ricans or Honduras clubs must be punised for USA impotence?
You are the one that said MLS, don't get all angry because you misspoke. I couldn't care less if MLS teams play Liga MX teams early on (as a matter of fact if you actually read the thread you'd see that I proposed that they do). Hate the USA all you want but guess where most of the money in CONCACAF is? Hint: Its not in Costa Rica. FYI: I can't stand MLS, its a crappy league ran by idiots. But thanks for your input.
It is in no way clear...... How can Canada have better clubs than MLS while still being MLS? Very confusing, despite what you say he clearly meant. Its anything but clear.