Any Ukrainians here to talk about the elections? [NSR]

Though this is blatantly off-topic, I will allow it for now. But the second this gets ugly in any way, I have many perfectly good reasons to close the thread.

 

So, you do not allow for the slightest possibility that more Ukrainians actually HAD voted for Yanukovich than Yushchenko?

Of course there was fraud! But it was almost surely on both sides.
The 95% for Yanukovich in Donetsk is just as unbelievable as the 93.5% for Yushchenko in Ivano-Frankovsk.
93% for Yanukovich in Lugansk? How about the 92% for Yushchenko in Lvov?

Come on! Just because you don't like one of the candidates doesn't mean the other guy is legit. The fact of the matter is Yanukovich is probably more legit than Bush.

 

It's understandable that the Western observers, given their obvious preference, keyed their attention on Donetsk and Lugansk. But are the numbers from the West legit? Absolutely, utterly and completely impossible.

The whole hubbub started because the early exit polls showed Kerry... shoot, sorry... Yushchenko ahead by 14% and then Yanukovich won by 3. So, the natural reaction was, in true Russian (by the way) manner: "Zasudili!"
I am not buying any of it.

Ukraine cannot have fair elections. They are not mentally equipped to handle them. They are not a democratic nation. I say, they deserve Yanukovich.

 

This is also being discussed in the politics section...

 

I think you are missing the point.

OF COURSE THE ELECTION WAS CORRPUT!!! How could it not be? Nowadays, US elections are corrupt and this is Ukraine, for crying out loud!
And if Yuschenko won the election would've been just as corrupt. Because both sides cheated big time.

So, if the election is corrupt how can you say that Yushchenko is the true choice of the Ukrainians? Simply because he wasn't as skillful a cheater as Yanukovich?
If the results are illegitimate, both men are illegitimate. This is all I am saying.

And I am looking forward to your vicious and swift response to the city of Bendery.

 

I wish I could syphon off some of the comments I made on another board.

Is it me, or do you guys actually think that this could well entail soccer as part of this political discussion.

It touches on this in the Kyiv/Donetsk article I posted. Yanukovych being the Donetsk candidate (orange party) and the blue whites of Yushencko. It could almost well be a game between DK and Shakthar with both parties claiming a win in a game postponed at half-time.

Needless to say, both parties have had the backing of both either heavy media control or huge financial gain by [ahem] local buisnesses. Welcome to the world of organised crime and politically corrupt Eastern Europe.

It really is a shame, you can live in Belarus, Russia, Georgia it doesn't matter. It seems that allows the vile stench of corruption in the heart of democracy is always the real winner here.

Pro-Russia? Pro-West? Quite frankly Ukraine's interests won't be different on either case. Both Yanukovych and Yushencko won't radically alter the course of Ukraine in the near future. The Western media and foreign press are having a field-day with this one. Will the people get what they want? Who knows - but quite frankly this is just a small tip of a very large iceberg.

 

lmao.....somebody has hacked into the Viktor Yanukovych entry on Wikipedia.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych

No doubt a keen Yushchencko supporter.

 

"Yanukovych was born in the working class neighborhood of Makiivka to a family of Belarusian immigrants."

I stopped reading right there due to severe lack of air in my lungs and an acute pain in my chest. I am still trying to stop laughing hysterically... but... I... just.... can't stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

erm. I think they fixed it. Christ that was quick. I'll see if I can find it again.

 

This s***t just gets a whole load deeper.

Opposition leaders called Wednesday for a nationwide strike to shut down factories, schools and transportation after officials declared Ukraine's pro-Kremlin prime minister had won a presidential runoff election that many countries denounced as rigged. The call by Viktor Yushchenko and his allies for an "all-Ukrainian political strike" risked provoking a heavy-handed crackdown by outgoing President Leonid Kuchma's government, which has said the opposition's actions in the aftermath of Sunday's bitterly disputed runoff are, in effect, preparations for a coup d'etat...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...=/ap/20041124/ap_on_re_eu/ukraine_elections_8

A coup d'etat? wtf? This isn't west Africa!