Andrew Yang will be your next president

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  1. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    Robots.
     
  2. ToMhIlL

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    Yabbut, who's gonna build those robots? Other robots?
     
  3. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    Eventually. :)
     
  4. fatbastard

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    Replicators.

    Damned if Stargate-SG-1 didn't have some sort of inside info about secrets of the past AND the future .....
     
  5. superdave

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    This debate reminds me of a book I read a couple of years back called the Cloud of Unknowing. It was a sort of instruction guide from an old monk to a young monk in the 13th century. The most fascinating part to me was how medieval Europe felt about work. It's a completely different mindset. It's very disorienting to us moderns.

    It's a short book. @Dr. Wankler
     
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  6. Dr. Wankler

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    It's a classic of English mysticism, but it doesn't have much to say about robots. Of the 14th century mystics, Catherine of Siena or Margery Kemp might be more helpful.
     
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  7. superdave

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    But it says a lot about what to do with your life if you don't work.

    From a 21st century perspective, it's shocking that (IIRC) there's no defense of the monk's lifestyle, in which he feeds, literally, off of the labor of others so that he can spend his entire life praying and thinking about God. The writer felt no need to defend it.
     
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  8. MatthausSammer

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    To be fair, my understanding of medieval history is monks often worked to expand our understanding of the natural world, preserve histories, literacy, and traditions, and create art/poetry. In medieval terms, monks may have often been the closest thing to scientists conceived.
     
  9. Dr. Wankler

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    To be sure, mnastaries get donations, etc, but most monastaries are self-sustaining in some way. The nuns at my wife's college run the college, as did the Benedictines at a prior job. Similarly, Thomas Merton'a monastaary in Kentucky, Gethsemene, sells really good cheese (and I assume still gets a cut from Merton's books), and The Abbey of Genesee outside Rochester NY sells bread, while another Cistercian monastary in Massachussetts sells damn good beer.

    Strangely enough, the editor of The American Conservative has suggested that monastic life might be a model for religious people in a post religious world

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    More left-leaning christians are pursuing similar ideas. There is an element of work to support the monastary (the Latin motto of the Benedictine order translates as Work and Prayer) in these mostly-protestant places, and a pooling of resources, etc.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Monasticism
    There are better resources, but I need to get supper started.
     
  10. luftmensch

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    That was true but it went well beyond that, and continues to in regions where the monastic or holy life is still treated with more societal respect (like in India or many southeast Asian countries). In the context of certain religious systems those who forego worldly pursuits for the sake of spiritual practice are seen as doing God's (or Whatever's) work, and thus worthy of support, whether or not it results in an obviously tangible benefit to that society.
     
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  11. superdave

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    Right, but not the ones in this book.
     
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  12. MatthausSammer

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    Andrew Yang with a good point here...
     
  13. ceezmad

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    WeWork is a good example on how "sophisticated" investors can also be suckers.

    Lost of wall street rich guys are going to lose lots of money here.


    But the biggest loser is going to be Masayoshi Son and his investment bank.


    Talk about convoluted investments, His investment bank was supposed to be separate from his regular bank Softbank (Edit; I guess it is not really a bank, but a software company), but now Softbank may be forced to swallow WeWork and inject it with more capital to keep it afloat.

    Investors in Softbank should be pissed, but since it is Japan, nothing will happen.

    https://www.businessinsider.sg/wework-investor-softbank-could-take-over-company-wsj-2019-10/
     
  14. superdave

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    Yang has hired Tad Devine, who partnered with Manafort in Ukraine.
     
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  15. song219

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    I saw my first Yang campaign sign.
     
  16. JohnR

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    Is he Tulsi Light?
     
  17. ceezmad

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    Yang gets a pants on Fire.

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...-yangs-claim-support-among-trump-voters-rate/

    But something I found interesting.

    Is that some flip voters that they are detecting? Or just some Trump voters that like primaries and since their is not a real one with the reps they will vote Democrat?
     
  18. MatthausSammer

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    Ever feel like we're going too far with this "everyone's an asset/useful idiot for Russia" thing? Or is it just me?
     
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  19. Q*bert Jones III

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    Word.

    I'd also like to see a stop to Dems claiming to be the big tent party and then crushing all non-harmonious voices.
     
  20. JohnR

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    That is false. Nobody is saying that any candidate but Tulsi doesn't belong. No such claims have been made of -

    Warren
    Pete
    Biden
    Kamala
    Beto
    Cory
    Bernie
    Kobluchar
    Castro
    Williamson
    Bennet
    Yang

    Only with Tulsi.
     
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  21. xtomx

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    And, frankly, I have no problem with Tulsi Gabbard being the Presidential race. She has the right to run, she meets the minimum qualifications and I am fine seeing her exposed.
    I do not want her to rise above 1.3% in the polls and she is delusional if she thinks she will be president. Also,
    I certainly don't want her to run as a third party, running the Democratic Primary is just fine.
     
  22. ceezmad

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    Meh, Sanders is not a real Democrat has been used, probably not by a lot of people, but it has been used.

    Then the crazy health lady (Williason?), we I do not know if she belongs or not, maybe we do need one very crazy person to make everyone else look normal.



    Edit: Tulsi, is the most pacifist candidate of the bunch, so obviously she does not belong anywhere near the presidency. Just like the Paul's on the repugs, they are too naive with their lets stop bombing our "enemies" talk.
     
  23. song219

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    If Gabbard won the Democratic nomination I'd have no problem voting for her in November but there is no way I'd vote for her as a 3rd party candidate.
     
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  24. JohnR

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    That was a whisker complaint, not a mainstream argument. Similar to the comments by some Republicans than Trump wasn't a true conservative because he had previously been registered as a Democrat. Standard stuff.
     
  25. Dr. Wankler

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    Sounds like what a Russian Bot would say. I'm not saying anything, but this comes across as pretty third-party adjacent, if not disinformation-proximate.
     
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