Amnesty Int'l redefines 'war crimes'

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  1. #10 Jersey

    #10 Jersey Member

    May 2, 1999
    And this is why AI and HRW have become a joke.

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525974885&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter


    The two principal "human rights" organizations are in a race to the bottom to see which group can demonize Israel with the most absurd legal arguments and most blatant factual mis-statements. Until last week, Human Rights Watch enjoyed a prodigious lead, having "found" - contrary to what every newspaper in the world had reported and what everyone saw with their own eyes on television - "no cases in which Hizbullah deliberately used civilians as shields to protect them from retaliatory IDF attack."

    Those of us familiar with Amnesty International's nefarious anti-Israel agenda and notoriously "suggestible" investigative methodology wondered how it could possibly match such a breathtaking lie.

    But we didn't have to wait long for AI to announce that Israel was guilty of a slew of war crimes for "widespread attacks against public civilian infrastructure, including power plants, bridges, main roads, seaports, and Beirut's international airport."

    There are two problems with the Amnesty report and conclusion. First, Amnesty is wrong about the law. Israel committed no war crimes by attacking parts of the civilian infrastructure in Lebanon.

    In fact, through restraint, Israel was able to minimize the number of civilian casualties in Lebanon, despite Hizbullah's best efforts to embed itself in population centers and to use civilians as human shields. The total number of innocent Muslim civilians killed by Israeli weapons during a month of ferocious defensive warfare was a fraction of the number of innocent Muslims killed by other Muslims during that same period in Iraq, Sudan, Afghanistan, Algeria, and other areas of Muslim-on-Muslim civil strife. Yet the deaths caused by Muslims received a fraction of the attention devoted to alleged Israeli "crimes."

    This lack of concern for Muslims by other Muslims - and the lack of focus by so-called human rights organizations on these deaths - is bigotry, pure and simple.

    AMNESTY'S EVIDENCE that Israel's attacks on infrastructure constitute war crimes comes from its own idiosyncratic interpretation of the already-vague word "disproportionate." Unfortunately for Amnesty, no other country in any sort of armed conflict has ever adopted such a narrow definition of the term. Indeed, among the very first military objectives of most modern wars is precisely what Israel did: to disable portions of the opponent's electrical grid and communication network, to destroy bridges and roads, and to do whatever else is necessary to interfere with those parts of the civilian infrastructure that supports the military capability of the enemy.

    That's how the American and Britain militaries fought World War II. (In fact, Israel shows far more restraint than Britain did during World War II. Prime Minister Winston Churchill directed the Royal Air Force to bomb the center of towns with the express purpose of killing as many civilians as possible.) Had the Allies been required to fight World War II under the rules of engagement selectively applied to Amnesty International to Israel, our "greatest generation" might have lost that war.

    The strategy of destroying some infrastructure was particular imperative against Hizbullah. Israel first had to ensure that its kidnapped soldiers would not be smuggled out of the country (as other soldiers had been and were never returned), then it had to prevent Hizbullah from being re-armed, especially given that Hizbullah damaged a ship using advanced radar technology provided by the Lebanese army and rockets provided by Iran.

    Hizbullah was being armed by Syria and Iran - as those countries themselves admitted - and the president, government, and population of Lebanon overwhelmingly supported the militia's indiscriminate rocket attacks against Israeli civilian population centers. The Lebanese army actively supported Hizbullah's military actions. Israel was, in a very real sense, at war with Lebanon itself, and not simply with a renegade faction of militants.

    HERE'S HOW law professor David Bernstein answered Amnesty's charge:

    The idea that a country at war can't attack the enemy's resupply routes (at least until it has direct evidence that there is a particular military shipment arriving) has nothing to do with human rights or war crimes, and a lot to do with a pacifist attitude that seeks to make war, regardless of the justification for it or the restraint in prosecuting it [at least if it's a Western country doing it], an international "crime."

    In other words, if attacking the civilian infrastructure is a war crime, then modern warfare is entirely impermissible, and terrorists have a free hand in attacking democracies and hiding from retaliation among civilians. Terrorists become de facto immune from any consequences for their atrocities.

    THE MORE troubling aspect of Amnesty's report is their inattention to Hizbullah. If Israel is guilty of war crimes for targeting civilian infrastructure, imagine how much greater is Hizbullah's moral responsibility for targeting civilians! But Amnesty shows little interest in condemning the terrorist organization that started the conflict, indiscriminately killed both Israeli civilians (directly) and Lebanese civilians (by using them as human shields), and has announced its intention to kill Jews worldwide (already having started by blowing up the Jewish Community Center in Argentina.) Apparently Amnesty has no qualms about Hizbullah six-year war of attrition against Israel following Israel's complete withdrawal from Southern Lebanon.

    As has been widely reported, even al-Jazeera expressed surprise at the imbalance in the Amnesty report:

    During the four week war Hizbullah fired 3,900 rockets at Israeli towns and cities with the aim of inflicting maximum civilian casualties.

    The Israeli government says that 44 Israeli civilians were killed in the bombardments and 1,400 wounded.

    AI has not issued a report accusing Hizbullah of war crimes.
    Amnesty does not even seem to understand the charges it is making. Take, for example, this paragraph from its report:

    Israeli government spokespeople have insisted that they were targeting Hizbullah positions and support facilities, and that damage to civilian infrastructure was incidental or resulted from Hizbullah using the civilian population as a "human shield". However, the pattern and scope of the attacks, as well as the number of civilian casualties and the amount of damage sustained, makes the justification ring hollow.

    But the issue of human shields and infrastructure are different. The first relates to civilian casualties; the second concerns property damage. Of course Israel intentionally targeted bridges and roads. It would have been militarily negligent not to have done so under the circumstances. But it did not target innocent civilians. It would have given them no military benefit to do so.

    The allegations become even more tenuous, as when Amnesty writes, "a road that can be used for military transport is still primarily civilian in nature." By this reasoning, terrorists could commandeer any structure or road initially constructed for civilian use, and Israel could not touch those bridges or buildings because they were once, and still could be, used by civilians. This is not, and should not be, the law.

    Consider another example: "While the use of civilians to shield a combatant from attack is a war crime, under international humanitarian law such use does not release the opposing party from its obligations towards the protection of the civilian population."

    Well that's certainly nice sounding. But what does it mean? What would Amnesty suggest a country do in the face of daily rocket attacks launched from civilian populations? Nothing, apparently. The clear implication of Amnesty's arguments is that the only way Israel could have avoided committing "war crimes" would have been if it had taken only such military action that carried with it no risk to civilian shields - that is, to do absolutely nothing.

    For Amnesty, "Israeli war crimes" are synonymous with "any military action whatsoever."

    The real problem with Amnesty's paper is that its blanket condemnations do not consider the consequences of its arguments. (It doesn't have to; it would never advance these arguments against any country but Israel.)

    Amnesty International's conclusions are not based on sound legal arguments. They're certainly not based on compelling moral arguments. They're simply anti-Israel arguments. Amnesty reached a predetermined conclusion - that Israel committed war crimes - and it is marshalling whatever sound-bites it could to support that conclusion.

    Amnesty International is not only sacrificing its own credibility when it misstates the law and omits relevant facts in its obsession over Israel. It also harms progressive causes that AI should be championing.

    Just last year, for example, Amnesty blamed Palestinian rapes and "honor killings" on - you guessed it - the Israeli occupation. When I pointed out that there was absolutely no statistical evidence to show that domestic violence increased during the occupation, and that Amnesty's report relied exclusively on the conclusory and anecdotal reports of Palestinian NGOs, Amnesty stubbornly repeated that "Israel is implicated in this violence by Palestinian men against Palestinian women."

    This episode only underscored AI's predisposition to blame everything on Israel. Even when presented with an ideal opportunity to promote gender equality and feminism in the Arab world, it preferred to take wholly unrelated and absurd shots at Israel.

    Amnesty International just can't seem to help itself when it comes to blaming Israel for the evils of the world, but rational observers must not credit the pre-determined conclusions of a once-reputable organization that has destroyed its own credibility by repeatedly applying a double standard to Israel.

    The writer is a professor of law at Harvard. His most recent book is Preemption: A Knife That Cuts Both Ways.
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  2. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
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    New definition = Anything Israel does.

    There, that was easy.
     
  3. Umar

    Umar Member+

    Sep 13, 2005
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    Interesting post. I don't agree with alot of it, but i don't intend to become involved in minute dissection of the arguments (although i'd be more than happy to digress if you really want me to).

    I would however like to hear your views on the general themes discussed. From my understanding, what you are suggesting is that if two parties consider themselves to be at war, it is right and proper for either party to try to destroy anything which may be of use to the military, irrespective of the potential costs to civilians. I say this because of these portions of the text:

    "Indeed, among the very first military objectives of most modern wars is precisely what Israel did: to disable portions of the opponent's electrical grid and communication network, to destroy bridges and roads, and to do whatever else is necessary to interfere with those parts of the civilian infrastructure that supports the military capability of the enemy".

    You have confirmed your view that the parts I've highlighted are "precisely what Israel did". Is it still your position that these acts are legitimate for all parties at war?
     
  4. #10 Jersey

    #10 Jersey Member

    May 2, 1999
    I've always said that these are legitimate. It is the targeting of civilians that is illegal.
     
  5. PsychedelicCeltic

    PsychedelicCeltic New Member

    Dec 10, 2003
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    Conrad Black, is that you?
     
  6. Umar

    Umar Member+

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    Once again so that there's no misunderstanding, its legitimate to do what i highlighted IRRESPECTIVE OF THE CONSEQUENCES TO CIVILIANS?
     
  7. #10 Jersey

    #10 Jersey Member

    May 2, 1999
    what do you mean by consequences? bridges and buildings and roads are not people. Terrorism involves the killing of innocent people, not inanimate objects used for military purposes.
     
  8. Umar

    Umar Member+

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    Civilians will suffer the consequences of such targeting, either directly (as part of the repugnant term "collateral damage") or later through their inability to use such infrastructure for their basic needs (e.g. to flee an area).

    What you seem to be saying is this: You identify a target which could be used by civilians OR the military (e.g a road or bridge). If it useful to the military, you take any action you deem necessary to take it out. If civilian deaths arise, or if civilians suffer in other ways because they can't use the infrastructure, then that's their tough luck. That was your position according to the section i highlighted, and that is what Israel did during the recent conflict. Again, so there's no misunderstandings, is this what you are saying?
     
  9. #10 Jersey

    #10 Jersey Member

    May 2, 1999
    the only part i would change is that I wouldn't put it as callously as you have to say its tough luck.

    In this situation i believe its the direct result of hizzbulah's actions. Hizzbulah took the war to israel and israel fought back in the areas from which hizzbulah fought.

    At the same time, Israel took great strides to minimize civilian casualties, while HIzzbulah took great strides to increase civilian casualties.
     
  10. Umar

    Umar Member+

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    So Hizbollah fought from Beirut or other areas above the Litani? Or from inside powerstations and on bridges? Sure, they told people to leave southern lebanon, but Nasrallah also asked the Arabs in Haifa to leave. Lets face it, Israel launched a punitive assault designed to firstly break the Will of the Lebanese and create a schism between them and Hizbollah, and secondly to try to demonstrate its power to other countries (a little like US reaction after 9-11). It had little regard to international law. I distinctly remember Olmert or one of his ministers saying something like "lets be clear, nowhere is safe". I'll try to find a link if you ask for it. Israel didn't (and doesn't) give a hoot about its responsibilities towards those on the other side caught up in war.
     
  11. #10 Jersey

    #10 Jersey Member

    May 2, 1999
    your opinion. you are entitled to it.
     
  12. DamonEsquire

    DamonEsquire BigSoccer Supporter

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    This lack of concern for Muslims by other Muslims - and the lack of focus by so-called human rights organizations on these deaths - is bigotry, pure and simple.
    However most of these Muslims don't represent country. I think. Israel was a little quick on the gun. If country is far superior and has the intelligence capabilities. Why not wait on some of those targets? I mean. I know here and would assume elsewere. That every road cannot be used by the military. It is against the law but in a state of anarchy anything is possible. You see. The use of high tech equipment can be prehistoric or it can be very modren. I like the modren but both ways serves purpose. If a country just uses this without just cause. It puts itself in a position of anonymity. If it feels comfortable about actions, it might talk about happenings. This could easy worldly intentions and an assest of victory in anomie.
    The deaths were great but not far fetched by both sides. Just keep a reminder. If you can control strike targets, your survival rate increases. Sure Israel could've been surprise attacked by others but I think. That was the least case scenerio out there. If well educate aren't condition properlly. This whole region has to have better Law Enforcement and communications. After a century of excellence, The USA has done quite well. If it did not have the justice down, our fate could be much of the same as others...
     
  13. Nanbawan

    Nanbawan Member

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    What I think when I happen to enter your threads. At least, you can't be blamed for hiding your bias...

    The WWII argument in the article is pretty lame BTW.
     
  14. #10 Jersey

    #10 Jersey Member

    May 2, 1999
    your opinion...you are entitled to it.
     
  15. YankHibee

    YankHibee Member+

    Mar 28, 2005
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    Well, the point of quite a bit of human rights and humanitarian int'l law is avoiding the way things were done during WW2, and whenever that comparison is trotted out, you can be pretty well assured that the writer knows little about int'l law.
     

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