Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U NO they shouldnt be allowed to mislead the public. There commercials say "the greatest teams take the field!" The fact is they are lying!! The teams they are putting on the field are reserve squads of low caliber and charging 50-120 dollars a ticket to play crap soccer. So if you really truly care about the sport and if you think about it a little bit you can see why doing what CW is doing is a move of stupidity and is in no way here to help the sport.
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U If you actually thought about what you said for one minute you would realize it makes no sense. So you are saying that MLS re structure itself like what?? The failing NHL with spiraling salary? With the failed former NASL, which a few members of the current Championsworld management were a part of! The MLS is getting to the point were it can afford to make some more gambles!! Signing some big players, 3 stadiums coming online i the next 3 years, these are all things that championsworld only dreams they could do. The idiots already burned bridges in Chicago, they basically had 50,000 fans boooing the crap out of MAnU and Bayern Munich!!! It was hilarious and laughed at how stupid CW was for allowing crap like that on the field. The even funnier part about it, is that they arent making that much on this tournament to begin with. They have to play in he NFL stadiums where they are charged the same fees and get very little or none of the concessions from all these big crowds while having a huge capital cost structure with hotels and flights and spending they have to do to keep these teams happy. Anybody here who thinks what CW has been doing is to help soccer and you think they arent trying to stick it to MLS is a moron. MLS will have the last laugh, trust me!!!! There will be days when CW will be begging MLS to allow them to play this tournament in MLS sized stadiums, because they wont have large enough crowds to justify having it in the big NFL stadiums. I have it on good authority MLS offered to buy them out (CW that is) and they refused, so thats the way they want to play, well anyone who wants to play hardball with the likes of AEG, HUNT and Kraft, and now Vegara and Checketts is just downright stupid!!!! Its a lose lose for CW when MLS and SUM beging to bring this type of tournament on their own. They will be able to even pay a larger rights fee!!! Why? because they will have there own stadiums of which they will get every dime of revenue. CW cant win this longterm run, the MLS business model is simply better structured to wipe CW off the field.
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U This came up on an unrelated topic, and the bigsoccer lawyers pointed to a US court precedent regarding track and field suggesting that the US does surrender much of its authority when it comes to international sporting federations. So, I deny it. Based on that earlier topic, I doubt a renegade league could sue MLS on anti-trust grounds and win.
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U That is completely false. FIFA has stated it intends to stand by MLS and make sure it remains a viable and successful league. CW does not hold any cards with FIFA. FIFA can sanction the teams that are brought here that arent American and arent subject to US rules. FYI MLS is in process of taking over the federation in case you didnt notice. The last three big sponsors that US soccer has recieved have been AEG tied and MLS first. and US soccer has lost the last 6 major sponsors they have brought in the last 10 years. Do a little research, the big money player in this whole gig is MLS and AEG. The more money they put into this league the more your gonna see CW and US soccer sinign the tune of whatever MLS wants and rightfully so. They have the most to lose and gain. Dont fight Anchutsz his track record for success and getting what he wants is uncanny and impressive. CW and US soccer dont have the money MLS has any more, and US soccer is going to play the MLS fiddle more and more because the success of the national team is tied into the success of MLS. CW is going to get tea bagged by the MLS and with the new powerful owners with massive connections internationally like Vegara, added to the exsisting financial monsters. Its hilarious how some of you dont see that.
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U Yes, let's cherry pick 6 years of static stock performance. Right, and the difference is so big as to make this comparison a typically deceptive voros-esque one. Another stupid comparison, there's inherently more interest in baseball than soccer. Why not compare movie receipts or widget sales? You're just wasting electrons with these pointless, obfuscatory comparisons that you specialize in. Right, but how does it stack up to football or basketball, both with more socialist structures? How does it stack up to the NHL, which is less socialist? I'm NOT arguing that a more socialist setup is automatically better. I'm arguing that saying a less socialist setup is better is contradicted by the real world. ---------- voros, not to get personal, but your style of argument gets on my nerves. You're like a lousy magician who uses increasingly naked hot assistants to distract from the fact that you can't pull that damn rabbit out of the hat. You need to practice your magic in front of a mirror until you can do it cleanly. Anyone who keeps his eyes on your hands and not the hot cleavage-baring assistant can see how you do all of your tricks, and it's not worth the price of admission. It's good to have someone at odds with bigsoccer groupthink, but only if the person is good at it.
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U They could spend it on the filing for bankrutpcy papers in the court of NY because thats what would happen to them if they did decide to outsped everyone 3-1.. The Cosmos did that and POOF!! no NASL and no Cosmo's, so what good do you think that would do?
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U Voros - I am so glad you posted that chart of baseball team values vs time. You do realize that team values have increased because there is no promotion/relegation in baseball, don't you? The artificial restriction on supply leads to excessively high profits whenever an owner sells a team. And when a team is sold, the other teams can recalculate their net worth based on that sale. So go ahead and post that chart. Or post a pro/rel comment. But don't post both. --- Rommul - let's get big latin signings like the "King of Goals"!! What a bust. And the four suggestions for signings you made are laughable. You'd add 1000 people per game for these guys. By the way, did you enjoy DC stomping CD Municipal 6-0 by playing reserve players? Not the same as Costa Rica to be sure, but still the biggest club in Guatemala. --- After reading this thread I know where Nova Financial Group gets their employees.
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U OK, but starting in January, most EPL matches will be meaningless, because the race for the championship will likely be down to Chelsea and Arsenal. An EPL season has mostly meaningless matches, if your criteria is "affect who is champion," too. And if you count those crucial "finish 3rd so we can make the CL" matches, well, that's the EPL serving as an exhibition season for next year's European competitions. As an EPL fan with a couple of favorite teams, but no team I've been rooting for since childhood, this problem is obvious. You need to be an outsider to see it. I don't care much about who gets relegated. (Well, this year I do. ) But the importance of that big Man City-Tottenham match escapes me.
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U Wasn't it SAF who recently excused a poor ManU performance by saying his players just couldn't get excited for EPL football any more?
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U I find it truly, truly, truly amazing that 6 of 9 years, MLS has had the EXACT SAME AVERAGE ATTENDANCE!!! Or, I find it really not amazing that you'd put up a deceptive chart and call "scoreboard."
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U I'm curious as to how you came about your knowledge of the Costa Rican league.
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U You've got a hell of a nerve. Thanks for the personal attack, as if that improves your league in the eyes of the world. First, it's tearing down ChampionsWorld in order to make MLS look better. Now, it's tearing down Argentina's league in order to make MLS look better. Argentina's league isn't dismissed as a joke and has little trouble filling its seats or getting it's players noticed as world class. The real matter under discussion is that the U.S. is fully capable, if it is willing to SPEND, of having a world-class league. This is not true in South America but, of course, if you wish MLS to emulate S.A., be my guest. You'll at least never have to worry about losing the scores of players Argentina does, since you don't have enough good ones.
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U What is all this about? I think the more relevant figures would be if we began to speak of the American Football League, American Basketball Association, World Hockey Association, etc. Figures from the beginning of the 20th century with baseball or from the post-WWII era for basketball I believe are suspect and misleading. Let's talk about the television era. The leagues I've just mentioned wouldn't have even existed without TV, and the NFL and NBA only came into their own as a result of it. Forget pre-TV stuff. You're talking about a different America which no longer exists.
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U Its hilarious the way you view many things in the game here. All I see in your post is assumptions based on nothing. When AEG can defeat big bad George Zoffinger then you can tell me that people have something to fear from AEG.
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U And i think he put forth evidence that shows your argument is wrong.
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U Exhibit A as to the irrational dislike of foreign players by american fans. And people wonder about why we play such a boring uninpsired style of football in this country. Its as if we are almost afraid of ANY outside influences. The fact is some players will flop. The only problem is in this country when a foreigner flops its held up as proof that we need to stop pursuing fancy pants foreigners and invest in good old american 22 year old college kids. Who while they may not be the most skilled players they work are and gosh darn it are american. There are solid reasons why this league cannot experience solid growth and it has everything to do with what happens within the league and very little to with what happens outside the league. BTW how well did the US teams do in the champions cup against the Costa Ricans this year? Why am I not surprised you didn't show those scores?
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U Why, do they usually go up 10% a year during an essentially double-dip recession? voros is actually basically right about the 'baseball in decline' myth. Any available evidence supports the opposite conclusion Here you have a point. The lowest valued franchise in the NFL is still worth a half billion dollars (AZ Cards at $552 million according to Forbes). That's probably more than all but four to six baseball clubs. I think the more socialist setups have almost always been better. But baseball isn't in trouble, per se.
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U Its a chart if you could zoom in you would be able to see the differences. The numbers represent flat attendance not the EXACT SAME AVERAGE ATTENDANCE!!! Any person with the most rudimentary chart reading skills can see this Why don't you just go to kenn.com for the numbers. Or is he being deceptive too? http://www.kenn.com/soccer/mls/index.html http://www.kenn.com/soccer/mls/basic.html Yes kenn must be part of the conspiracy.
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U I don't know anything about the Costa Rican league. I only get to see Saprissa and Alajuelense and any games i have seen them play they have displayed real class as well as quite a few of the teams they play. But excuse me for being complimentary about any league but MLS.
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U To be fair, MLS doesn't have 30 franchises, so the ups-and-downs of one (say, Dallas going from 13k down to 9, which given its causes says more about where MLS stands right now than where its going) affects the total disproportionally. From the methodological view, comparing 9 franchises is an insufficient sample size. And I say that even ackowledging your general point about baseball.
Re: AEG powerman blasted ChampionsWorld, Man U Give it up. People don't want change. The fanbase is simply happy to even have a league. Thjere won't be real change until there is a different fanbase that demnads more and won't complain when they are asked to pay for it.