3 months later: The impact of Man U/ChampionsWorld Tour on soccer in America

Discussion in 'Business and Media' started by pc4th, Nov 2, 2003.

  1. pc4th

    pc4th New Member

    Jun 14, 2003
    North Poll
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It has been over 3 months since the tour has ended. What are some of the impacts?
    Does the 'a rising tide raises all boats hypothesis' perceived to be correct? Is soccer perceived to be more 'cool' than before? (judging by the number of students wearing Man U stuff in Seattle, I believe it is a big yes). Did the tour in some way help MLS? A-league? Did the tour help soccer flourish in America? What can be learn from this Tour? (probably US is an emerging soccer market with huge $$$ potential. No wonder there are plans for World Club Championship in the U.S. for 2005)..
    Hype/Publicity sells.....Manchester United Tour brought people to see Manchester United (3 sell-outs). When Man U was not present, the games were not sell-out even when the teams were the like of AC Milan, Juventus, Barca or Boca Jrs. Probably next year, a Real Madrid, Liverpool + some other teams tour would be best named Real Madrid/Liverpool Tour (can I get my 0.0000001% of the profits for my idea Championsworld?:) Anyway, I am hopeful that a MLS team will get to participate.
     
  2. da_cfo

    da_cfo New Member

    Apr 19, 2003
    San Francisco CA
    The impact on MLS? Not much if any. Same old TV ratings (i.e. 0.2 on ESPN2) and attendances (7K-15K for a typical game).

    The impact on big European clubs? Big. They will all scramble to schedule their summer pre-season tours in the US in order to load up a jumbo jet with US Dollars. The "gold rush" will be on every summer.

    Of course, not all of them will make the big money. For every Man U or Real Madrid that will hit the mother lode, there will be the likes of Blackburn Rovers or Borussia Dortmund that will go home empty-handed.
     
  3. beineke

    beineke New Member

    Sep 13, 2000
    Question:
    Is anyone maintaining an Oliver archive? Seems like a false characterization of MLS attendance is just par for the course, but that "gold rush every summer" line is worth revisiting.
     
  4. houndguy

    houndguy New Member

    Sep 5, 2001
    Pittsburgh, Pa
    I actually think that it will help TV and attendence ratings, but due to the fact our season is almost over the "boats won't raise" until next season.

    I think that it did win over some new fans that will follow the European game and then come over to the domestic game in the summer.
     
  5. Warren Van Orden

    Feb 29, 2000
    Richmond CA
  6. nyrmetros

    nyrmetros Member

    Feb 7, 2004
    There has been little to NO impact on MLS..... thus the tour had no impact on soccer in America.... unless the results are really about what happens next summer if MLS teams join this coup of Euro footy specials....
     
  7. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was the tour supposed to help soccer flourish in the US?
    Was it supposed to help A-League or MLS?

    Why Liverpool?

    I think the tour was to make money for the teams and CW.

    I also think CW will bring Real Madrid, Ajax, Bayern Munich and Arsenal.
     
  8. TOTC

    TOTC Member

    Feb 20, 2001
    Laurel, MD, USA
    Somewhere on these threads it was said that the Champions Tour proved that the WUSA was an "embarrassment."
     
  9. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    I'd agree, I even say that it proves that the MLS must continue to improve the quality and be competitive with these teams if they want to convert these fans..
     
  10. lond2345

    lond2345 Member

    Aug 19, 2002
    USA
    what impact?
     
  11. Deuteriumoxide

    May 27, 2003
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think that as far as MLS goes the only thing that the Champs tour did was to show that there is indeed a fan base out there that can be reached.

    They'll come along slowly.
     
  12. hoop_crazy

    hoop_crazy New Member

    Oct 31, 2003
    Louisville
    I think the tour was successful in letting real fans get a chance to see their heroes in person for the first time.
     
  13. hoop_crazy

    hoop_crazy New Member

    Oct 31, 2003
    Louisville
    I immediately jumped on the chance to go to Cleveland and see Celtic play Boca Juniors. It wasn't much of an attended fair but the atmosphere was great, it was all Celtic supporters.
     
  14. hoop_crazy

    hoop_crazy New Member

    Oct 31, 2003
    Louisville
    Did anyone here get a chance to go to any of the games?
     
  15. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Yes, I went to the Barcelona game in Boston and the ManU game in New York. Both were great, and the ManU game was fantastic..

    Remember though, this tour was billed as a "once in a lifetime opportunity" to see these stars. Who knows if the attendance/interest would hold up if it became a yearly tour. i doubt it. Well attended? yes, as well as the first year, as the novelty wears off? no.. Expect the attendance to drop..

    What I liked most about the games was the crowd. They knew the teams and the players, and the "kiddy" atmosphere and horn blowing that exists in the MLS was nonexistant (thank god.) That in itself made it more enjoyable..
     
  16. delo_pata

    delo_pata Member

    Jan 12, 2001
    Durham, NC
    The groups.google archive is one nice resource to study his unmatched magnanimity and grace over the years. For example: http://makeashorterlink.com/?E23231376
     
  17. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes and no. Yes, it showed that there is a fan base for some big clubs. No, it did not show that those fans can be reached or converted to MLS fans.
     
  18. fdp

    fdp Red Card

    Oct 24, 2001
    The impact of Man U/ChampionsWorld Tour on soccer in America

    As MLS is now in the process of reaching out to the Latino futbol fan base here in the states; this tour showed us that there is a large euro snob fan base that still needs to be reached for the future success of MLS.
     
  19. Kevin Etzel

    Kevin Etzel Member

    Jul 18, 2000
    New York
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The impact of Man U/ChampionsWorld Tour on soccer in America

    I think the euro-snob fan base can be broken down into two groups, expat euro-snobs and American bred fans soccer fans who share the euro-snob view that only the Europeans can play attractive soccer. The former are going to be difficult to win over, the later less so.
     
  20. pc4th

    pc4th New Member

    Jun 14, 2003
    North Poll
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The impact of Man U/ChampionsWorld Tour on soccer in America

    with that tour, I am starting to believe that there are more Eurosnobs (those that ignore MLS completely yet mostly are American citizens) than MLS fans.

    If they focus their attention in their own backyard the National team would be a lot better and so would the domestic league.
    15 k attendance would increase to 30 k.
    Rating would double = a paid TV contract
    = $$$ to spend to build soccer stadium and increase cap salary, buying a few good players.

    I guess they want a taste of the chicken, but do nothing to nuture the growth of the egg.
     
  21. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: The impact of Man U/ChampionsWorld Tour on soccer in America

    I love MLS, and have made 3 two hour drives to see both the Metro and Rev play. But when the spectacle came to town, well Boston...I went to see Juve v Barca as well.

    Those teams have a bigger draw then MLS and the level of play is much higher, but the big reason MLS doesn't draw well is the poor management in most cases.

    The Metros should certainly be doing better than 15,000 a game, same for the Revs, but poor management has turned away fans for one reason or another.

    Out west San Jose is a problem child. Something needs to be done, but I don't know what. I've never seen the place, but I've heard it isn't in a great neighborhood and they also drew poorly for the US v Wales match.

    KC v Dallas isn't going to draw 30,000 fans for some time, but if the Metro v Revs drew 30,000 that would be fantastic and the leagues best chance for success.
     
  22. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Re: Re: Re: The impact of Man U/ChampionsWorld Tour on soccer in America

    I am curious to what you mean by poor management. I figured that maybe it is MLS mgt itslef, or the feel for the large stadiums (empty), that was the problem..

    I dont see what the individual managers can do to have a dramatic impact. I am not disagreeing w/you, but am curious what you mean. Maybe an example could help?
     
  23. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: The impact of Man U/ChampionsWorld Tour on soccer in America

    Actually, I think the ex-pats will be easier to win over because they know and understand good soccer. The American-bred Eurosnobs seem more concerned with being a soccer fan than supporting soccer.

    But everything is a long road in U.S. soccer so let's not get too mpatient. You can't grow until you build a base. That's happening now.
     
  24. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Re: Re: Re: The impact of Man U/ChampionsWorld Tour on soccer in America

    good point. The American bred Eurosnobs seem more concerned about "image" than good soccer sometimes..
     
  25. hemariva

    hemariva New Member

    Feb 22, 2003
    Missouri
    A) Do Europeans sit around and obsess about ways to grow European basketball? I'm just curious if other parts of the world are so obsessed with getting their non-soccer-sport injected into the mainstream as we Americans are with soccer.

    B) The MLS is great, I love having a domestic league. But until I can see [example]Thierry Henry[/example] score a goal for KC, I'll still be more intrested in European and South American soccer.
     

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