23 Players that should be called up to Euro 2008 [PART 2] (Not- "is Oddo Good?" Discussion Thread)

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Partly for training but I think it could also be if some are players are not fit or are injured. I'm not sure but I think the alternates will only step in if someone is injured. Some injures are more serious than others but I wonder if any of the alternates can step in if Donadoni changes his mind or if any of the starting 23 will to have a legitimate injury?

As far as ADP's last shot of the game, who is to say if Totti didn't pass the ball up field and if ADP didn't make his run, how can we ever know if Germany instead had the last kick of the match? Realistically the chances were slim for Gemrany to score but I remember them almost scoring in the box towards the end. Didn't Germany score against Poland in the last minute? No one really can judge after the fact.

 

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I'm not saying he should go but I can just never understand how many people consider the World Cup or the Euros to be more elite competitions than the Serie A...

 

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I agree with Falvo both Cannavaro who got out jumped and Nesta who screened Toldo were at fault on the tying goal. Nesta was partly to blame on the winning goal as he allowed the ball to get to Trezeguet. People do not remember it this way though. They choose to blame Del Piero because he was a convienent scapegoat for Italy's failure and has been one ever since even though he only started 8 out of 29 tournament games in his career.

 

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come on, now...really??? and del piero wasn't just a convenient scapegoat, he plain blew the match on two occasions after doing nothing the whole tournament, at least cannavaro had had a great tournament up until that point.

@ italian mike...that is only 6 attackers , so you have 23 players right there.

 

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oh, ok, yeah, i bet that is the final cut right there between those two. If that is the squad...then I all of a sudden feel a little better about italy's chances.

I just wish materazzi wasn't on there, so donadoni wouldn't even be tempted to play him.

 

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I like the look of that, there's also been a lot of rumours that Donadoni might call up Maggio because of his versatility but at the expense of who?

 

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The gazzetta dello sport has Maggio, Cassano and Montolivo.

http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Nazionale/Primo_Piano/2008/05_Maggio/20/preconvocati.shtml

Portieri: Buffon, Amelia, De Sanctis (in vantaggio su Roma e Curci).

Difensori: Barzagli, Cannavaro, Chiellini, Grosso, Materazzi, Panucci e Zambrotta.

Centrocampisti: Ambrosini, Gattuso, Aquilani, Camoranesi, De Rossi, Perrotta e Pirlo;

Attaccanti: Toni, Borriello, Del Piero, Di Natale, Quagliarella.

What a difference two years make! I guess 15 returnees in 2 years isn't bad...I still think they should still have taken Inzaghi but I guess Donadoni wants to make his own statement.

Here is the lists for the 2006 World Cup:

Italy
Head coach: Marcello Lippi


1 GK Gianluigi Buffon 28 January 1978 60 Juventus

2 DF Cristian Zaccardo 21 December 1981 12 Palermo

3 DF Fabio Grosso 28 November 1977 17 Palermo [49]

4 MF Daniele De Rossi 24 July 1983 17 Roma

5 DF Fabio Cannavaro (c) 13 September 1973 93 Juventus

6 DF Andrea Barzagli 8 May 1981 8 Palermo

7 FW Alessandro Del Piero 9 November 1974 74 Juventus

8 MF Gennaro Gattuso 9 January 1978 43 Milan

9 FW Luca Toni 26 May 1977 18 Fiorentina

10 FW Francesco Totti 27 September 1976 51 Roma

11 FW Alberto Gilardino 5 July 1982 15 Milan

12 GK Angelo Peruzzi 16 February 1970 31 Lazio

13 DF Alessandro Nesta 19 March 1976 74 Milan

14 GK Marco Amelia 2 April 1982 1 Livorno

15 FW Vincenzo Iaquinta 29 November 1979 12 Udinese

16 MF Mauro Camoranesi 4 October 1976 21 Juventus

17 MF Simone Barone 30 April 1978 13 Palermo

18 FW Filippo Inzaghi 9 August 1973 49 Milan

19 DF Gianluca Zambrotta 19 February 1977 52 Juventus

20 MF Simone Perrotta 17 September 1977 24 Roma

21 MF Andrea Pirlo 19 May 1979 24 Milan

22 DF Massimo Oddo 14 June 1976 20 Lazio

23 DF Marco Materazzi 19 August 1973 28 Internazionale

 

Re: 23 Players that should be called up to Euro 2008 [PART 2] (Not- "is Oddo Good?" Discussion Threa

These cups are certainly more prestigious however, the clubs that play in the SERIE A , CL or even the UEFA competitions, are much better and higher quality and have much more prettier play and cohesiveness.

 

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yeah, they have montolivo, gamberini, and one of maggio or rocchi being the 3 reserves to the 23 you have listed, it seems. I guess we will know for sure in about an hour and a half.

 

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because playing against the elite on an elite stage will always be better than playing in a match against empoli...this is a no-brainer, world cups are the greatest stages of them all, can crack the most mentally tough world-class players...a game in front of 10,000 fans week 23 against some minnow doesn't come close. come on, nick, this is just silly, you keep saying that those competitions are like "all-star" games...how many all-star games have you seen where people cry like c ronaldo or others after losing? the big stages will always be where the greats are measured, and for good reason.

 

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I understand the point Nick is trying to make but in all-star games those teams are not together for a month but a week at the most. Most players have no familiarity with the other players. This is totally different because these guys are playing for their country and have more cohesion amongst players. Is the level up to Serie A? I would say it is better but not as good as the Champions League.

 

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I like the fact that Cassano is rumored to be in the squad. Is there a realistic chance of that happening?????

 

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that's fair, and I get what nick is saying, I just think he takes it way too far. Plus, all the players from the big countries have this same disadvantage, so if everyone is nearly equally disadvantaged, then it is a level playing field, and the really good ones will find a way to shine regardless. that is the way I look at it.

 

Re: 23 Players that should be called up to Euro 2008 [PART 2] (Not- "is Oddo Good?" Discussion Threa

did the press conference start yet?

 

Re: 23 Players that should be called up to Euro 2008 [PART 2] (Not- "is Oddo Good?" Discussion Threa

Official list:

Portieri: Gianluigi Buffon (Juventus), Marco Amelia (Livorno), Morgan De Sanctis (Siviglia).

Difensori:
Cristian Panucci (Roma), Fabio Cannavaro (Real Madrid), Andrea Barzagli (Palermo), Marco Materazzi (Inter), Fabio Grosso (Olympique Lione), Gianluca Zambrotta (Barcellona), Giorgio Chiellini (Juventus).

Centrocampisti:
Rino Gattuso, Andrea Pirlo, Massimo Ambrosini (Milan), Daniele De Rossi, Simone Perrotta, Alberto Aquilani (Roma), Mauro German Camoranesi (Juventus), Riccardo Montolivo (Fiorentina).

Attaccanti:
Luca Toni (Bayern Monaco), Marco Borriello (Genoa), Antonio Di Natale, Fabio Quagliarella (Udinese), Alessandro Del Piero (Juventus), Antonio Cassano (Sampdoria).

http://www.repubblica.it/2008/05/se...ni/convocati-euro2008/convocati-euro2008.html

http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Nazionale/Primo_Piano/2008/05_Maggio/20/preconvocati.shtml



So I guess the only doubt is between Montolivo and Aquilani (can't see both of them going at the expense of Cassano).

I'd choose Montolivo and replace De Sanctis with Sereni, Materazzi with Gamberini, Perrotta with Maggio and Quagliarella with Inzaghi. Pretty good squad overall nonetheless.

Happy for Cassano, Italy needed his talent.

 

Re: 23 Players that should be called up to Euro 2008 [PART 2] (Not- "is Oddo Good?" Discussion Threa

I just saw that on Sky TG24

 

Re: 23 Players that should be called up to Euro 2008 [PART 2] (Not- "is Oddo Good?" Discussion Threa

Cassano made the team.

 

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exactly my changes as well, but nonetheless, he got it right for the most part. that is a squad that if key players hit form and stay fit, then it has a chance

 

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Goalkeepers: Buffon, Amelia, De Sanctis

Defenders: Panucci, Cannavaro, Materazzi, Zambrotta, Barzagli, Chiellini, Grosso

Midfielders: Camoranesi, Pirlo, Gattuso, Ambrosini, De Rossi, Perrotta, Aquilani, Montolivo

Strikers: Toni, Di Natale, Quagliarella, Del Piero, Borriello, Cassano

Sorry I did not see that Matteo had posted the list.

 

Re: 23 Players that should be called up to Euro 2008 [PART 2] (Not- "is Oddo Good?" Discussion Threa

You and me both. This shows he has some balls.

 

Re: 23 Players that should be called up to Euro 2008 [PART 2] (Not- "is Oddo Good?" Discussion Threa

Thank you Don for selecting Cassano and your 2yr extention...