PBP: 2023 MLS Cup Final PBP Thread {R}

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by jaykoz3, Dec 3, 2023.

  1. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great venue. In addition to football, it's the indoor track and field venue, winter tennis courts, was the basketball arena (pretty neat impermanent stuff), and they even let me reserve the space for pickup soccer in the Fall.

    Here's a great article from ESPN, "An ode to the Kibbie Dome, college football's weirdest stadium."
     
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  2. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Also the rapids are going to try to sign all the goalkeepers. Who wins a game between a team with all goalkeepers against a team without a goalkeeper?

    Good final, and congratulations to Columbus on winning the cup with a 22 year-old in goal making 88K a year.

    Sorry for the tangent. Congrats Columbus!!
     
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  3. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #203 JazzyJ, Dec 10, 2023
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2023
    And.....cue Steve Cherundolo blaming MLS roster rules for that. To be fair, they had to play a ton of games, but 1) how did they get to those finals in the first place if the roster rules are so debilitating, 2) 2 of the 3 were at their home. And with the intl break in November they should have been pretty well rested for this game.

    Bottom line - no excuses - they had 3 chances to win championship games and they didn't get it done, and yes, Steve, *you* were the coach of those teams. I see where he's saying that you shouldn't lump the team's finals together for a cumulative finals record for the year "because they're all different" and then he made somewhat condescending remarks about the press for doing so. Well of course they're all different, otherwise they'd be the same final, but they were all finals. Win and you win the championship. That's what they have in common.
     
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  4. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’d ask Steve why he allowed Nagbe and Morris to boss the midfield like it was the varsity vs. the junior varsity, without making any adjustments.

    Id have given the MVP award jointly to Nagbe and Morris. Completely dominant performance. An all timer.

    In the late 1970s there was a Superb Owl between the Broncos and the Cowboys. The Cowboys’ defensive line sacked the quarterback over and over again and made it basically impossible for the Broncos to move the ball. That year the MVP went jointly to two defensive linemen. Watching the final reminded me of that.
     
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  5. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think I remember that Superb Owl (gotta love autocorrect).

    I think Crew fans would agree with you, while also understanding that forwards or midfield maestros almost always win MVP recognition in these games. That said, the true MVP on this club is Nancy.
     
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  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not autocorrect just a fun thing I like to write
     
  7. Sagz

    Sagz Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Cbus
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  8. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Hard to pick out one Crew player - lots of good performances but no one really stands out among all of the good. I'd consider Yeboah for that great run and finish (on a great pass) - the game-winning goal. Cucho and Rossi didn't actually have real good games - did not have the finishing boots on, and well, you're supposed make PK's. I also like the Nancy pick, or the Nagbe-Morris pick.
     
  9. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Cucho is a straight-up bad finisher, but he makes up for it by generating a ton of shooting opportunities.

    He only scored 11 non-penalties on a non-pen xG of 16.3 this season.

    Outside of the penalty, he didn't find himself in good scoring positions very often - this was a well below-average game for him.
     
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  10. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What a season. LAFC had nothing but heartbreak from the beginning till the very end. I wonder if Vela leaves and if he does would a team like Houston try and sign him along with Chicharito? A one year deal with an option to reunite these former Mexican national team players could be interesting.
     
  11. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Wow, -5 G to xG, that's a lot. He also doesn't seem to have met a shot he doesn't like. That said, would I want him on my team? Heck yeah.
     
  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s interesting that someone mentioned Yeboah…before the goal, I was eyeing him for Worst Crew Player. Lots of poor touches when a good play would have meant a high quality chance.

    If we’re giving accolades for the GWG, how about Amundsen? Unbelievable pass. If it had been Messi delivering a ball like that, the Apple crew would have literally come in their pants. Not figuratively literally, but literally literally.
     
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  13. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Amundsen had the pass, several more great long passes, and a great tackle that ended up being offside.
     
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  15. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    The pass was great.
     
  16. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #216 JazzyJ, Dec 11, 2023
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2023
    The pass was great but so was the run and finish - the timing, speed, touch, shot, all perfectly executed. Those kinds of 1v1’s with the keeper are blown a *lot* and here it was against a really good keeper. If that was Messi finishing a Busquets pass the Apple crew would be praising the pass but going completely googly-eyed over Messi’s finish. But Yeboah’s play before the goal is a fair point. I wasn’t paying that much attention to him.
     
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  17. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In chronological order:

    Russell: 1968, Boston Celtics, player/coach.
    ----------24 years
    Gaston: 1992, Toronto Blue Jays.
    ------15 years
    Dungy: 2007, Indianopolis Colts
    ------16 years
    Nancy: 2023 Columbus Crew
     
  18. Egbert Sousé

    Egbert Sousé Member

    NYCFC
    May 25, 2013
    nyc
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Too lazy to look it up, but didn't Dusty Baker win a World Series as manager?
     
  19. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yes, but only in 2022. Not the first by a long shot.
     
  20. Egbert Sousé

    Egbert Sousé Member

    NYCFC
    May 25, 2013
    nyc
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah, "first" & "only".
    Reading is indeed fundamental!
     

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