2022 World cup/Qualifying Rosters

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by DHC1, Apr 14, 2020.

  1. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Yeah... he was caught higher up the field when the long ball was played. My point was that it happens all the time and nobody says a word. For some reason Antonee Robinson is blasted for it when he actually recovered from the play and went on to have a very good game. I wonder if it is a coincidence that he is dual national who plays in England.

    Off the top of my head, I can think of two examples in the Hex in games that people often discuss. Gonzalez on the first goal at Costa rica and Villafana on the first goal at Trinidad. The big difference is that the competition was weaker and Gonzo and Villafana didnt care enough to even try. The narrative on those games are that the team quit/Brooks was awful and Arena shouldnt have run out the same lineup.
     
  2. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Look at Robinson giving up on the France goal. That's a non starter for me. Have fun in Milan. Send me a postcard. Enjoy the chicken Milanese.

    No guts, no old glory.
     
  3. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    Kellyn Acosta.

    I need a left foot, a versatile bench player, and a set piece taker off the bench.
     
  4. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    #129 Ghost, Apr 21, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2020
    Sandler is Philippe Sandler. ManCity Loan Army central defender, starter at Anderlecht until he got injured. I would say that puts him at least in the same category as Miazga, CCV, Zimmermann, etc. I haven't seen him play. But I have seen the other guys play. And Berhalter bringing Alvarado back into the fold means he's considering all options at center back.
     
  5. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    The boring ones:

    Steffen
    Dest
    Brooks
    Sandler (or Otasowie or RIchards)
    Robinson or Cannon
    Yueill
    Adams
    McKennie
    Pulisic
    Reyna
    Crapshoot
     
  6. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    I mean if people really want Sam Vines, then who am I to say no. But with Dest able to play both sides, and either Acosta or Arriola able to play in a pinch, then I would rather take a guy who actually has some tools that will contribute, rather than just being a guy who I am hoping won't get beat too badly.
     
  7. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you don't at least have the thought that you're going to win (whatever), you probably won't.
     
  10. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    I think the team can win. We have at least 4 guys who are potentially top shelf that we know of right now. We have a few more players with CL level talent. We have a young forward who's scored at a pretty good clip in the BL as a youngster, even if he hasn't taken off like the others. We have a keeper who is pretty decent. We probably have more guys on the way.

    And we have several center backs .....

    But seriously, I think at home, with a core of Dest, Pulisic, Reyna, and Adams ..... you could build a champion around that team.
     
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  11. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Over the years, we've had pools with decent shouts at strong Quarters/Semi runs.

    There was the '02 pool that made Quarters and played quite well against Germany.

    There was the '10 group that defeated mighty Spain in the Confederations. Major injuries marred the pool's WC potential. Davies got into that accident. Onyewu tore his patellar tendon. Nigel de Jong broke Stuart Holden's leg---in a friendly!!! Jermaine Jones hadn't recovered from his tiba fracture. Still, Edu instead of Clark then we win that game against Ghana!

    The '14 guys took a golden generation Belgium team to extra time. JK set up the team too aggressively. And he JK started Zusi to man a flank against Eden Hazard and Jan Vertonghen. It's like that match against Costa Rican, in which Brian Oviedo fathered Zusi, didn't happen.

    The vapor fumes of the '14 pool also made semis of the Copa Centanario.

    The current pool is shaping up nicely. Plenty of time before the WC, however.
     
  12. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Plenty of time...…...not really.

    Another thing to consider: Berhlater's cookie cutter isn't changing. It's just luck of the draw which player gets better/worse in that particular cookie cutter, which may not change over time. .
     
  13. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    Yeah, it's fine for us fans to be realistic, but for coaches and players you have to sincerely believe you can win, or it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy that you don't. I remember this argument prior to 2014 when Klinsmann said that the US couldn't win.
     
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  14. Lookingforleftbacks

    Galaxy
    United States
    Dec 17, 2016
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    6 years from now we’re going to have at least 2 more of that level of “core” player. You can quote me on that.

    Unfortunately, we are also going to lose at least one of those 6 “core” players to injury.
     
  15. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Goalkeepers (3)
    Ives: Steffen, Johnson, Guzan
    Doyle: Steffen, Turner, Ochoa
    Davis: Steffen, Johnson, Gonzalez
    dhc1: Steffen, Horvath, MLS keeper
    largegarlic: Steffen, Guzan, Turner
    11Bravo: Steffen, Guzan, Hamid
    rgli13: steffen, horvath, turner
    Individual11: Steffen, Horvath, Hamid
    jaykoz3: Steffen, Guzan, open
    Mahtzo: Steffan, GK2, GK3
    yurch: Steffen, Horvath, Johnson
    dlokteff: Steffen, Hamid, Turner
    pkeeler167:
    Steffan, Horvath, Ochoa
    Bsky (3): Steffen, Horvath, Guzan
    Ghost: Steffen, Guzan, Turner

    Consensus around Steffen and not a lot of consensus on backups

    Central Defenders (4)
    Ives (4):
    Brooks, Long, Alvarado, Miazga
    Doyle (4): Brooks, Long (West Ham), MRobinson, Richards
    Davis (4): Brooks, MRobinson, Miazga, Ream
    dhc1 (4): Brooks, Long, Miazga, Alvarado
    largegarlic (4): Brooks, Long, Miazga, Ream
    11Bravo (4): Brooks, Long, Zimmerman, Miazga
    rgli13 (4): brooks, long, mrobinson, miazga
    Individual11 (4): Brooks,
    McKenzie, Miazga, MRobinson
    jaykoz3 (4): Brooks, Long, Miazga, Ream
    Mahtzo (5): Brooks, Long, McKenzie, MRobinson, Alvarado
    yurch (4): Brooks, Long, Alvarado, Miazga
    dlokteff (4)
    : Brooks, MRobinson, Miazga, Zimmerman
    pkeeler167(4): Brooks, Miazga, Palmer-Brown, Richards
    Bsky (4): Brooks, Alvarado, Miazga, CCV
    Ghost (4):
    Brooks, Long, Sandler, MRobinson

    Consensus around Brooks (100%), Miazga (85%) and Long (70%). Pick 'em between MRobinson (38%) and Alvarado (38%). Fringe around Richards, Ream, Zimmerman, McKenzie, Palmer-Brown, Sandler

    Outside Back/Wing (4-5)

    Ives (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson
    Doyle (4): Cannon (Schalke), Dest, ARobinson, Vines
    Davis (2): Dest, Cannon
    dhc1 (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson
    largegarlic (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson
    11Bravo (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson
    rgli13 (4):
    Cannon, Dest, ARobinson, vines
    Individual11 (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson, Duncan
    jaykoz3 (5): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson, Lima
    Mahtzo (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, Hollingshead
    yurch (4): Cannon, Dest, Yedlin, ARobinson
    dlokteff (4): ARobinson, Dest, Duncan, Yedlin
    pkeeler167(4): ARobinson, Dest, Cannon, Sousa
    Bsky (4): Dest, ARobinson, Cannon, Yedlin
    Ghost (4): Cannon, Dest, ARobinson, Acosta

    Consensus around Cannon (100%), Dest (100%), ARobinson (92%), Yedlin (77%). Fringe MLS players: vines, duncan, Lima, hollingshead, sousa

    Central Midfielders (5-6)
    Ives (7): McKennie, Adams, Lletget, Bradley, Roldan, Yueill, Holmes
    Doyle (6): McKennie, Adams, Yueill, Pomykal (Leverkusen), Aaronson (RB Leipzig); Ledezma
    Davis (6): Adams, McKennie, Pomykal, Lletget, Aaronson, Yueill
    dhc1 (6): McKennie, Adams, Morales, Holmes, Pomykal, Ledezma
    largegarlic (5): McKennie, Adams, Lletget, Yueill, Morales
    11Bravo (5): McKennie, Adams, Morales, Pomykal, Lletget
    rgli13 (5):
    adams, mckennie, pomykal, yueill, aaronson
    Individual11 (6): McKennie, Adams, Servania, Holmes, Pomykal, Gressel
    Mahtzo (6): McKennie, Adams, Pomykal, Holmes, Morales, Yueill
    jaykoz3 (4):
    McKennie, Adams, Sands, Yueill
    yurch (5): McKennie, Adams, Pomykal, Morales, Holmes
    dlokteff (5): McKennie, Adams, Pomykal, Roldan, Holmes
    pkeeler167(6): McKennie, Adams, Pomykal, Cardoso, Holmes, Ledezma
    Bsky (5): Adams, McKennie, Morales, Holmes, Ledezma
    Ghost (5): Adams, Yueill, McKennie, Morales, Pomykal

    Consensus around McKennie (100%), Adams (100%). Next level: Pomykal (69%), Holmes (62%), Morales (46%), Yueill (46%), Ledezma (31%) and Lletget (23%). Fringe-y: Bradley, Roldan, Aaronson, , Servania, Gressel, Sands

    Attackers (5)
    Ives (7): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Altidore, Sargent, Zardes, Boyd
    Doyle (5): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Weah, Sargent
    Davis (8): Pulisic, Reyna, Arriola, Weah, Altidore, Morris, Sargent, Llanez
    dhc1 (6): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Altidore, Sargent, Llanez
    largegarlic (7): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Llanez, Altidore, Zardes, Sargent
    11Bravo (7): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Llanez, Sargent, de la Fuente, Ferreira
    rgli13 (7): Pulisic, reyna, morris, weah, sargent, zardes, arriola
    Individual11 (5): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Soto, Sargent
    Mahtzo (5): Pulisic, Morris, Altidore, Sargent, Reyna
    jaykoz3 (7): Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Altidore, Sargent, Zardes, Weah
    yurch (7):
    Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Sargent, Llanez, Ferreira, Weah
    dlokteff (7): Sargent, Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Altidore, Llanez, Weah
    pkeeler167(6): Sargent, Pulisic, Reyna, Morris, Llanez, Weah
    Bsky (7): Pulisic, Reyna, Sargent, Weah, Llanez, Morris, Altidore

    Ghost (7): Pulisic, Reyna, Weah, Arriola, Sargent, Morris, Zardes

    Consensus around: Pulisic, Reyna, Morris and Sargent (100% each), Next group: Altidore (54%), Weah (54%), Llanez (54%) and Zardes (31%): Fringe-y: Boyd, de la Fuente, Ferreira, Arriola, Soto

    MLS players in squad (italic):

    Ives: 11 / (5 starters - Bradley!!)
    Doyle: 10 (6, if players leave) / (3 starters)
    Davis: 11 /
    dhc1: 6 / (2 starters)
    largegarlic: 9 / (3 starters)
    11Bravo: 9 / (2 starters)
    rgli13: 11 / (3 starters)
    Individual11: 9 / (2 starters)

    Mahtzo: 10 /
    jaykoz3: 9 / (2 starters)
    yurch: 6 / (1 starter)
    dlokteff: 9 / (2 starters)
    pkeeler167: 2 / (1 starter)
    Bsky: 4 / (no starters)
    Ghost: 10 / 1

    Median around 9/23 MLS (39%) and 2 starters (18%). Far cry from the Arena/Berhalter benchmark.

    Bold = starter
    Italic = MLS
    Red = only chosen twice or less
     
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  16. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    One thing that we really can't calculate .... how many clubs are going to close in Europe, and how many of those players are going to end up in MLS?
     
  17. Bite o' the Cherry

    Charlotte FC
    United States
    May 3, 2006
    Charlotte, NC, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's the latest on the financial health of MLS? Will out-of-work Europeans have a home here?
     
  18. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I actually thought this would start happening before this virus because of overreach by many clubs who went bankrupt. Now it will accelerate. Is MLS better off than other leagues? Probably because of the very deep pockets of ownership mixed with actually not missing as much revenue as bigger leagues and therefore bigger demands for money to pay out. When even Barcelona is talking about slashing salaries in half how can the lesser lights not be really hurting?
     
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  19. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't find anything about Philippe Sandler being eligible for the USMNT. Transfermarkt lists him as only being Dutch, and Wikipedia only shows he's ever played for the Dutch. I'm seeing no references to any eligibility for the US. What am I missing? (honest question)
     
  20. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    He's listed in Yanks Abroad. I believe it says his mother is an American.
     
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  21. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    BL say they are ready to go May 9. There appears to be a state view that large gatherings will have to wait for October. Apparently a big media payment is due

    https://sbisoccer.com/2020/04/german-bundesliga-ready-to-return-on-may-9

    which BL needs to pay creditors.

    With no spectators, the media revenue will be key for all leagues.
     
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  22. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    what does this mean for MLS? they were depending upon a big new contract and they owe a “guaranteed” $30m to USSF.

    when people talk up MLS, they usually lead with how many tickets they sell rather than how many people watch on TV....
     
  23. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Luckily their owners have deep pockets. Which owner (or ownership group) would be the closest to money trouble?
     
  24. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    deep pockets only help if the issue is liquidity rather than solvency. Is it a good investment to drop in significant cash if the next TV contract isn’t a large step up and the ability to play in front of large crowds is mitigated? What if new owners aren’t willing to pony up hundreds of millions? MLS had gotten by so far on new team fees and piggybacking on USSF TV fees (although I’m interested to see if the $30m guarantee is actually funded) for the past 10 years or so.
     
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  25. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    I've been hopeful for Miles Robinson. But I just watched his highlight package from last year. It's a bad sign when half of your highlights seem to be you doing emergency defending to cover for your own glaring errors.
     
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