2022 World Cup Qatar: FINAL - Argentina vs. France

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by locoxriver, Dec 14, 2022.

  1. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
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    Argentina [​IMG] Match 64 [​IMG] France
    18 December 2022
    18:00 local time (7:00 AM PST / 10:00 AM EST)

    LA GRAN FINAL

    Venue: Lusail Iconic Stadium (Lusail, Qatar) - 88,966 capacity

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    Historical head-to-head record:

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    12 games played: 6 Argentina wins, 3 Draws, 3 France Wins

    Argentina and France have previously met three times at the World Cup stage.

    The first time Argentina and France met was actually at the first ever 1930 FIFA World Cup. Argentina won said match 1-0 with a goal by the historic Luis Monti, a result which ended up being very important for Argentina to advance from Group 1 (at the time only one team made it out of each group).

    The second encounter would occur nearly five decades later, when they clashed again in Group 1 of the 1978 FIFA World Cup. Argentina won that match 2-1 with goals by Daniel Passarella (PK) and Leopoldo Luque (Platini scored for the French side), in what turned out to be another decisive win: if Argentina had tied or lost this match, France would have advanced from the group stage instead and Argentina wouldn't have lifted their first World Cup trophy that year.



    Additionally, the 1978 2-1 Argentina victory was the last time a CONMEBOL side beat France at a World Cup.

    The third and most recent World Cup encounter took place in the Round of 16 of the 2018 World Cup, where France took home a 4-3 win that began their knockout path to the title. Antoine Griezmanne scored an early goal for France through a penalty kick after a completely ridiculous Marcos Rojo foul in the box, although Argentina was able to flip the score thanks to a golazo from Angel Di Maria and a Gabriel Mercado tap.

    However, France were able to tie the match in the second half with an unstoppable Benjamin Pavard volley, which was followed shortly after by two Kylian Mbappe goals that pretty much sealed the deal. Argentina attempted a comeback and were able to make a push with a late Sergio Aguero header that diminished the scoreline difference, but ultimately were not able to achieve the miracle. This was the first time that Argentina lost a competitive international game despite scoring three or more goals.



    Dear lord... look at that play by Fazio at 7:15 :eek:

    Players still present from the 2018 encounter include:
    Argentina -- Armani, Otamendi, Tagliafico, Di Maria, and Messi. Acuña and Dybala were on the bench, but did not play.
    France -- Lloris, Pavard, Varane, Griezmann, Giroud, and Mbappe. Mandanda, Areola, and Ousmane Dembele were on the bench, but did not play.

    Other than that the historical record between the two sides is composed of strictly friendly exhibitions. Messi scored an absolute golazo on them in a 2009 friendly held in Marseille that ended 2-0 in favor of Argentina.



    Full match highlights (the atmosphere actually made it look like a real WC match):



    Di Maria was also on the bench but did not feature.
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    France's form leading up to the WC:

    - Finished first (undefeated) in Group D of UEFA's WCQs. In total, their qualifying campaign consisted of 5 wins and 3 draws (tied with Ukraine -twice- and Bosnia)

    - Most recent UEFA Euros participation: 2020 (played in 2021), eliminated in Round of 16 by Switzerland after losing 5-4 in PK shootout following a 3-3 draw.

    - Most recent UEFA Nations League participation:
    2022-23 (currently ongoing), eliminated -- Finished 3rd in Group A1 behind Croatia and Denmark, only finding 1 win in 6 games.

    2020-21, Champions -- beat Spain 2-1 in the final

    - 10 most recent results:
    - June 2022: 1-1 vs. Austria
    - June 2022: 1-0 L vs. Croatia
    - September 2022: 2-0 W vs. Austria
    - September 2022: 2-0 L vs. Denmark
    - November 2022: 4-1 W vs. Australia
    - November 2022: 2-1 W vs. Denmark
    - November 2022: 1-0 L vs. Tunisia
    - November 2022: 3-1 W vs. Poland
    - November 2022: 2-1 W vs. England
    - November 2022: 2-0 W vs. Morocco​
     
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  2. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I cheated and pre-wrote this post last night so I could have it ready as soon at the France-Morocco semifinal finished :D
     
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  3. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Did you have one for Morocco?
     
  4. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    No, but mostly because we don't have a history against them. It would have been a quick post.

    Anyway dear lord, look at that 2009 Messi golazo vs. France.. I had completely forgotten about that
     
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  5. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Curious to see who the referee will be.
     
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  6. Albiceleste2010

    Albiceleste2010 Member+

    Watford
    Argentina
    Jun 5, 2010
    Watford
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Of course. Loco is as prepared as Lionel S. :D
     
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  7. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    We all know France would be the final opponent. Morocco only scores 5 in 6 games. They didnt score againts Spain & Croatia , hit one againts Portugal. Their only convincing victory was againts overrated Belgium, and they only narrowly beat Canada. You know at some point luck is gonna run out.

    Like Croatia, they squeeze through with determination. Croatia has more quality players as well.
     
  8. Albiceleste2010

    Albiceleste2010 Member+

    Watford
    Argentina
    Jun 5, 2010
    Watford
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Sampaio is cleaning his whistle as we speak.
     
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  9. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006
    wow you are fully responsible for this Morocco loss
     
  10. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Praying it's not Sampaio, who is one of the candidates. Not because he's Brazilian, but because he is downright a terrible ref. Absolute trash.
     
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  11. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    As long we play well, Im not over worry about the ref. Everyone was panicking on the 2021 final ref , but I thought he did well.
     
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  12. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I hope the ref won’t be Sampaio…
     
  13. Riquelme100

    Riquelme100 Member

    Villarreal
    Argentina
    Jun 30, 2018
    We have already avenged the 3-0 defeat against Croatia, now its time to avenge the narrow loss against France
     
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  14. Albiceleste2010

    Albiceleste2010 Member+

    Watford
    Argentina
    Jun 5, 2010
    Watford
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Might be Anthony Taylor then. Good lord.
     
  15. Ashwanth

    Ashwanth Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    May 16, 2018
    hope ADM is fit for the French game, we can get them but need to have our mid playing sensible with giving away the ball, it's going to be a tricky game, hope we can make it
     
  16. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I’m pretty sure he’ll make it.

    Vs Croatia I think him being on the bench was just a tactical decision and the idea was to bring him in in the second half, but since he wasn’t needed they just let him rest
     
  17. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    You may want to sticky this, loco. BS is paying you to be a Mod for a reason!

    Also, people are already crying about “Argentina had an easy route to the final!” Our path was no different than France. The hypocrisy is comical.
     
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  18. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    LMAO! I wish.. they really do owe me a check or two
     
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  19. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I also do wonder if we will stick with the 4-4-2 or does Fideo start?
     
  20. danni1

    danni1 Member

    Fiorentina
    England
    Jan 28, 2020
    London
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    No Higuain scapegoat for Argentina this time
     
  21. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006
    F Armani
    Mercado -Otamendi -Rojo -Tagliafico

    Perez -Mascherano -Banega

    Pavón -Messi- María

    Subs: min. 45' Fazio 66' Aguero 75' Meza

    Guys what do you think of lineup? I think it's pretty genius. Why play with a striker when Messi can be our out and out striker.
     
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  22. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The best part is that Meza sub lolol

    Trying to make a comeback and you use your last sub on that chump.. leave Dybala on the bench. Even Higuain would have been more useful in that match
     
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  23. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    Still, Morocco forced to attack were a big threat. But they left tons of holes at back and France was likely to score on a counter the whole match. France's defense was not good, especially their left flank, i.e. our right flank where Molina, Di Maria like to operate. France also seems kind of week in midfield. Morocco easily moved the ball around there finding space.

    Totally unexpected match due to the stupid mistake Morocco at the beginning. They ended up dominated the ball and attacking like crazy while France countered.

    I'm thinking we probably go back to our classic 4-3-3 if Di Maria is fit.
     
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  24. DTCrackheads

    DTCrackheads Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Mar 9, 2019
    Get this 2018 mojo out of here. We are 10x the team now.


    How is Scaloni going to deal with France's left side attack of Theo Hernandez and Mbappe? There can be space in behind them!
     
  25. JollyJumper

    JollyJumper Member

    Sep 10, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I'm expecting Argentina to play similar to Croatia. Staying organized in the back, low pressure, and taking advantage of opportunities with quick strikes (especially with Di Maria playing). I don't think we want to be too aggressive with Mbappe & co.
     

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