2022 U.S. Open Cup

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by newtex, Jul 16, 2021.

  1. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    York wins it 4-3 in penalties.
     
  2. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    #802 SiberianThunderT, May 25, 2022
    Last edited: May 25, 2022
    Yeah, most players (at least historically*) haven't had children until after retiring because the physical challenges of pregnancy make it hard to remain playing at a high level, and vice versa. If you think of the 99ers/WUSA players generally not having children until after WUSA collapsed after 2003, that means their kids would only just now be entering their 20s; many only had their first kids between 2006-08. This is also why it's a relatively Big Deal (tm) that players like Morgan, Leroux. McDonald, and Rodriguez have been able to remain high-level starters while also being moms. Fawcett and Rampone came before them, but they were the exceptions at the time.

    *Sports health science has really grown in the women's game recently; I also recall after the last World Cup that part of the USWNT's success was attributed to their health team crafting training and diet regimes tuned individually to to account for any dips in form from the monthly hormone cycle.

    But yeah, I think the normal pattern is to see former players as coaches before you start seeing former players' kids as new players; MLS has had former players as coaches for many years now and is only just starting to see the kids coming up, while NWSL is only just now starting to see a couple of former players hitting the coaching ranks, so I think seeing lots of second-generation ProWoSo players is still a few years off.
     
  3. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I posted in the other Open Cup forum. When did the Open Cup go amateur?
     
  4. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm keeping my eye on Cassius Cruz Dwyer (son of Dom Dwyer and Sydney Leroux), but he's only age 5 right now...
     
  5. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Tuesday results:

    2022 Canadian Championship

    Home team first, times are ET
    All games streaming on OneSoccer

    Quarterfinals:

    Tuesday, May 24
    HFX Wanderers (CPL) 1-2 Toronto FC (MLS)
    Pacific FC (CPL) 2-2 (pks 3-4) York United (CPL)

    Wednesday, May 25
    CF Montreal (MLS) v. Forge FC (CPL) 7:00 pm
    Cavalry FC (CPL) v. Vancouver Whitecaps (MLS) 9:00 pm

    Semifinals are June 21-23. Final will be in July.
     
  6. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    You didn't like my answer? How are you defining "amateur"?

    I would say that the Open Cup never went amateur. It had amateur teams from the beginning in 1914 when it was the National Challenge Cup.
     
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  7. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was actually thinking more generally. Like, do MLS players only have boy kids, and WUSA players only have girl kids;)? Or are there also MLS kids in WUSA and vice-versa?
     
  8. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    1776
     
  9. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Pro teams from ASL I participated and won.
     
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So we may see the second ever Toronto derby. Last year TFC won 4-0.
     
  11. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    OK. But they weren't the only teams in the tournament. The earliest version of the ASL boycotted the tournament at various points but the Federation didn't force them out. They tried to get all teams participate at that point.

    In the 70s the NASL chose not to participate.

    I'm struggling to understand what you are trying to determine when you ask "When did the Open Cup go amateur?"
     
  12. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    It would be in the final if it happens. York United is on the "West" side of the bracket.
     
  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Funny how that works. In a country 4,700 miles wide two teams less than 30 miles apart are considered on opposite sides :)
     
  14. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Hamilton is only a little farther west of both of them but they are on the "East" side of the bracket.
     
  15. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Never too early to establish discovery rights.
     
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  16. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nobody saw the upset of the Redcoats by a farm league team that year coming. Their late transfers in from the French league really made the difference.
     
  17. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    WUSA folded in 2003. Probably the most prominent pro player child of a USWNT player is Gio Reyna.
     
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  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mackenzie Frimpong-Ellertson may be the first daughter of a USWNT player to play in NWSL when she gets drafted next season
     
  19. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Another round of the Open Cup, another soggy night for Minnesota United to play in.

    I detect a trend.
     
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  20. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Come on Lou City!
     
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  21. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Anyone watching a Florida cup derby?
     
  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wish they could find a better name for a stadium than Belson.
     
  23. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I'm throwing my support to the USL side vs Nashville, tonight, so that's what I got on
     
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  24. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I have Covid (again!) just in time for another round of Open Cup. And it gets me out of a wedding I didn't want to go to. Silver linings!
     
  25. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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