2022 MLS Week 33 Referee Discussion

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  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    It’s character, for sure. But it’s also trust in Jorge and most importantly, his read of the moment and situation. If his VAR is telling him it’s a clear foul error at that point in this match with those circumstances… then he knows he should accept that recommendation. Back to basics, right? No different than an AR in 1996 telling him he had to change a call.

    All that said… did he have a foul coming out initially?! Stott has unique mannerisms so it could have been his way of saying “keep going, no penalty.” But I think he blew the whistle. And it obviously wasn’t a second simulation card.
     
  2. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Yes, I believe he called a careless trip committed by Chicharito originally. I think it was probably more of an “I don’t see a penalty here but it would be weird to wave play on after the earlier simulation and calling a foul coming it sells it better” kind of thing.
     
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  3. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    So that was a weird moment. RSL player reentered play from the goal line, and Stott stopped play to caution him when he was quite far from the ball. I think he awarded a direct free kick at the location of the player, so I guess the ruling was that the player was interfering with play. I guess it’s smarter to do that while the ball is in an non-dangerous area than let play continue and have an awkward stoppage for true interference.
     
  4. MassachusettsRef

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    Washington, DC
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    Re-entering the field of play without permission is a caution on its own. Interference is irrelevant.

    I kind of wonder if that is his first such caution in 27 years. I doubt it, but it’s possible. And that would be a funny way to end.
     
  5. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Yes, I was just remarking on the type and location of the free kick. Without interference, if play is stopped the free kick is indirect at the location of the ball.

    The only really similar YC I remember was a few years ago when Rivero gave someone a second yellow for this exact thing, in a truly hilarious moment.
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    It’s totally possible Stott didn’t remember, in the moment, where the restart was technically supposed to be. I think I would have got that wrong too. Practically, what he did makes a lot of sense and makes the call more sellable. Technically, it is nonsensical (location of ball sort of make sense… point of entry could make sense… “where I caught you and booked you” doesn’t, but it’s believable).
     
  7. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    But, if you interfere with play, it's a DFK, I thought? Not that it's likely to ever happen but... interfere in the box .... DFK --> penalty...

    Unless you mean .. it's a YC whether he interferes or not ... otherwise.. ignore my comment :)
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

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    I mean the latter, but I won’t ignore you!
     
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  9. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I suspect it also says something about instruction from PRO. I would imagine after the last malfunction there was talk about protocols if the OF screen malfunctions.
     
  10. incognitoind

    incognitoind Member

    Apr 8, 2015
    This happened. When the on field monitor is malfunctioning the referees have been instructed to trust the VAR
     
  11. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
    Tacoma
    Elfath spent a lot of time reviewing a potential DOGSO and PK that was borderline in/out of the box.

    He stuck with his Corner kick call.
     
  12. incognitoind

    incognitoind Member

    Apr 8, 2015
    Frustrating as it is, it sounds like the delay was due more to struggles getting the image he wanted than truly disagreeing. We hear the “if it takes this long…” argument a lot but sometimes it isn’t the ref trying to be convinced as it is struggling to get right angles/speeds. He obviously stuck with his decision and that can be debated on its own.
     
  13. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Inside video review reveals that Stott called Chicharito for a handball after he fell, not for a trip.
     

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