Yes, though I feel like Mateu's retirement will be the final nail in that coffin (and you can add Skomina's retirement, though quiet, as well). Not sure you can firmly put Rocchi or Orsato in with that group. From a timeline standpoint, you probably should. But Rocchi always had a different role or was assigned at a different level and Orsato came in late. I think we have to ask ourselves if we'll ever remember a Taylor-Turpin-Siebert-Makkelie-Vincic, etc. era. With fewer big personalities and more VAR, we might have just witnessed a sort of permanent change rather than just a changing of the guards. I hope not.
Cakir's list of cup semifinals: World Cup: 2014 (Netherlands - Argentina), 2018 (Croatia - England) Euro: 2012 (Portugal - Spain) Champions League: 2012 (Barcelona - Chelsea), 2016 (Manchester City - Real Madrid), 2016 (Bayern Munich - Atletico Madrid), 2017 (Atletico Madrid - Real Madrid), 2018 (Real Madrid - Bayern Munich), 2019 (Liverpool - Barcelona) Europa League: 2010 (Fulham - Hamburg), 2014 (Benfica - Juventus) U20 World Cup: 2011 (France - Portugal) U21 Euro: 2009 (England - Sweden) Cakir's list of cup finals: Champions League: 2015 (Juventus - Barcelona) Club World Cup: 2012 (Corinthians - Chelsea)
They were very good but others will come to replace them. Just like the other previous top referees from prior generations were replaced. Examples would be the great LoBello, Palotai, Horne, Bakramov and many others. (I left out Collina because some of our friends on here don't like him ) PH
A pretty crazy offside situation in Coppa Italia today. At first you can't imagine why it's being checked for offside. It wasn't until they showed the second clip much later that you can see the defender heading the ball onto the head of the attacker which then goes to the offside corner kick taker. This is almost a situation where the var should invite the referee over to the rra. https://streamable.com/f16ees https://streamable.com/4550mw
Once again, VAR removes controversy and complaints . . . More seriously, it does argue for more communication—the broadcasters appear to have no idea what the issue is, as they keep showing the wrong part of the play. Seems like a good time to call both captains-+and only the captains—for an explanation.
Bastien had quite the match in Croatia. Three penalties and three sent off. Part of me likes Bastien--there's a bit of Rocchi in him in the sense that he has zero fear of making the unpopular decision. But I just don't think he has the personality to pull it off, nor, unfortunately, the same sort of accuracy rate on KMIs. Very suspicious of some of these decisions: 1. Second caution in the 17th minute. I'd call this accurate/supportable, but horribly executed. He gave the look of someone who was ready to let this go as a last warning and then something flipped and he opted for the send off. If he immediately sends him off, I think he has fewer problems here. But indecision in this moment--a very early red card that will effectively kill the tie--is crippling for credibility. And I wouldn't be surprised if UEFA said this was more careless than reckless, anyway... it's the lifted leg at the end that makes it look bad, but how much that leg relates to the actual severity of the foul seems dubious on replay. https://streamja.com/gwXmy 2. I don't see the foul here. Or, rather, I think I see it but believe it's trifling. I'm surprised the VAR supported this call, to be honest, but maybe I'm missing something obvious. Even if it's supportable via VAR, I don't think this call is advisable. https://streamja.com/N0V7e 3. This one seems unequivocally wrong to me. Like, not a punishable handball, not a penalty, and definitely not a clear penalty. If UEFA supports this decision, I have no idea what we are supposed to be looking for anymore. Shocked this was sent down and ratified. I really, really hate to say this, but it feels like a make-up call where the on-field pressure helped lead to this decision. If the benefitting team wasn't down a goal and a man... is this "obvious?" https://streamja.com/leXqz 4. This is the Rocchi in him. This is a reckless arm and Bastien doesn't care that it's a 2CT against a team that's already down a man. So, credit to them in that regard. On the other hand, this is the sort of 2CT that would make all of England and about 50% of the UEFA soccer world apoplectic regardless of the match situation, so there are pros and cons here. https://streamja.com/qL5A0 5. Perhaps the most Rocchi-esque call not made by Rocchi himself. Game is over and the defending team is down 2-0 already. But he upgrades a DOGSO yellow penalty to DOGSO red based on the evidence you see. I think, of course, he's technically right (and it's worth noting the VAR helped force him into this situation). The non-attempt to play the ball foul (hold/pull) occurs before the stab at the ball with the foot (and even that would barely count as trying to play the ball). But... man, talk about the sort of decision that no one on the field actually needs to happen. https://streamja.com/PV505 I don't think UEFA will like this performance. That said, it seems clear Bastien serves a purpose in UEFA and I think you'll see him on some contentious matches this season. I think it's worth watching his appointments closely.
Super Cup is today. Eintract Frankfurt lost 6-1 to Bayern in their opening match so we will see what Real Madrid do to them. Let's face it, I'm watching this to hopefully see the new offside system in use and if the graphics are any different to what we've seen from FIFA.
Agree with almost everything you wrote, but I disagree with #2 only. Defender (captain) is tracking back on an attacking player dribbling in front of him. The defender tries to make a tackle and completely misses the ball, which gets the attacker's foot as the attacker is cutting to attempt to take a shot. The contact initiated by the defender does affect the dribbling attacker's ability to create a chance. Why should the referee absolve that action by looking the other way? Defender took a risk, it failed, and it created contact affecting the team in possession's opportunity to score. Foul, PK.
Some rather strange officiating as you note. We had him in Amsterdam last year for the CL game against Besiktas and he seemed to do a decent job.
Compare this to the Russia/Belgium goal from the Euro. IFAB is saying that if the ball hit him (lets say not in the hand) and went to an offside attacker that it wouldn't be a deliberate play because he had reason to believe that someone else was going to play the ball and didn't have time to react. But UEFA wants this to be handling (maybe?) when the arm is relaxed and naturally placed when he didn't have time to react because he realistically expected one of three people to change the path of the ball?
On 1, I’ve just seen the clip posted, but I wasn’t sure if there was indecision there or just a deliberate style, on 2, I think it was definitely not a clear error. I wouldn’t mind seeing other angles, but I think it was a supportable call on its own. on 3, WTF? I thought that was exactly the kind of play IFAB has been trying to make not a HB over the past few years. on 5, seems to me to be definitely the right call—a cynical hold from behind. I’d expect the VAR to be graded harshly if that wasn’t sent down. What is the defender thinking doing such a stupid, obvious, clear DOGSO foul in that context?
I guess I just don't see the foul contact. I think the angle in the attached file (and the period right before and after) is instructive. The attacker cuts back and plays the ball with his right foot, under his own body. The defender is, at this time, stabbing at the ball (on the right side of the attacker's body). Notice the defender's challenging foot and the attacker's left foot are both on the ground at this point. The right foot of the attacker is in the air, not contacting anything else, after he's played the ball himself. There's no contact when the challenge is made. Contact between the defender and the attacker comes after the challenge was made. For me, that's the attacker's momentum just carrying himself into the defender. The defender has already made his action at the moment this still frame occurs. He doesn't do anything else. And if there's no foul here (there's unequivocally not at this point in time) then I have a hard time saying it's a foul because the attacker continued into the defender. The "he took a risk, he must pay the price" argument could work for me in the old days. But with VAR you can slow things down and see what actually happened here. And I don't think a foul actually happened. Go watch the period right before and right after this still frame. I think the attacker brings his right leg into the defender to create the contact. Bluntly, I think this is extraordinarily sophisticated simulation (though, it normally wouldn't be punished as such because contact occurred).
He is just too deliberate, slow and methodical in his card distribution. Rocchi was successful because A) he was almost always right and B) he was so quick and decisive with the cards that it was difficult to doubt him. This is the opposite. That slow methodical style of giving cards a la Webb or Makkelie really only works if you're in the lenient style. You're right in that Rocchi would probably give the exact same decisions he Bastien did, except he would have just been seen as more believable.
RMs second goal had a hint of offside in the buildup but you could see with the grass line Vinicius Jr was onside. Still wish they'd give the animation to the TV producers. You have a new toy that you're trying to beat FIFA to using. Use it when you can during the first few matches!
With credit to @Mikael_Referee , here's a clip from Sidiropolous' match in Glasgow. The player who gets his yellow card rescinded was already on a yellow, by the way. I am absolutely floored by this. https://clip.dubz.co/v/04tn4r
This is like the grassroots pregame where you say hey if I screw up so badly that you need to run on to the field and make sure I don't restart the match then please do that. Of course there's the issue on how with comms a ref and ar in a CL playoff game let it get that far but at least the AR saved him.
But did he? Look at the scissors motion on the tackle. On what planet is that clearly not a yellow card and clearly not a foul? I get it. The defender got ball first. And the attacker bounced up and didn't stay down writhing in pain. So producing a red card there would have made his life a living hell for the rest of the match. But, once given, what's the argument here aside from that? This is quite simply "uh-oh, I regret my decision" and not "wow I really got that decision wrong." Ultimately, I'm sure most observers--particularly those wearing blue--will be fine with this outcome and the AR might even earn praise from commentators. But this is absolute amateur hour stuff on multiple levels.
I'm genuinely fascinated as to what PRO would want there if that was a penalty given by the referee. Would they want the VAR to send that down and to overturn? Also flip it, referee doesn't give it and there is a nasty injury as a result. Should VAR send that down or is it one of those "shit happens, you're out of luck attacker." It's a really dangerous play and should be punished and taken out of the game. But it seems like the players want to be able to make that kind of tackle.
I think the attacker getting up immediately is everything on this play. He stays down and this doesn't play out the way it did. There's just no way. Talk about incentivizing bad behavior... As it actually occurred, had it been a challenge that could have resulted in a penalty... I have no idea what PRO would want. Pretty sure it's a "no intervention" if not given. But I have no clue about the other direction. Of course, the likelihood of an attacker getting up right after that in a penalty situation is near nil, so it might be a hypothetical that is too far detached from reality.
VAR was a mistake. We shouldn’t have to torture ourselves like this. FWIW I’d prefer a no-call on the field, but I don’t think there’s enough for a VAR intervention.
I'm glad someone is discussing this (the actual foul call)! The situation is really weird because the perspective one gets from the live sequence is totally different to the one replay angle. Having watched it many times, my conclusion is that play on is actually the most optimal call. What the attacker does is really quite skilled there in my opinion - his play isn't so much as a tackle on the defender, but really a pass motion, and he manages to execute this without any hurt to the defender. But - I must be honest - if the defender went down writhing in pain, then my whole impression would have been disabused... Also: I really doubt the AR had any huge input tbh. For me it was rather a big show created by Sidiropoulos simply because he bottled the consequent SYC, once he realised that was the call he was making. His whole performance in this game was a total, total mess. UEFA should have demoted him years ago. About Bastien - I'll post some higher quality clips today.
17min: https://streamable.com/cmc0om 25min: https://streamable.com/w3hro8 47min: https://streamable.com/5ofhat 72min: https://streamable.com/wdnvfi 84min: https://streamable.com/ptusp3