2021 MLS Week 23 Referee Discussion

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  1. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    09/03/21

    Nashville vs New York City FC
    Nissan Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Tim Ford
    AR1: Claudiu Badea
    AR2: Oscar Mitchell-Carvalho
    4TH: Silviu Petrescu
    VAR: Fotis Bazakos
    AVAR: Matthew Nelson

    Philadelphia Union vs New England Revolution
    Subaru Park (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Jair Marrufo
    AR1: Brian Dunn
    AR2: Jeffrey Swartzel
    4TH: Alan Kelly
    VAR: Guido Gonzales Jr
    AVAR: Jose Da Silva

    Houston Dynamo vs Portland Timbers
    BBVA Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: Rubiel Vazquez
    AR1: Kathryn Nesbitt
    AR2: Peter Balciunas
    4TH: Rosendo Mendoza
    VAR: Jose Carlos Rivero
    AVAR: Mike Kampmeinert

    Los Angeles FC vs Sporting Kansas City
    Banc of California Stadium (10PM ET)
    REF: Drew Fischer
    AR1: Frank Anderson
    AR2: Eduardo Mariscal
    4TH: Brandon Stevis
    VAR: Ramy Touchan
    AVAR: Fabio Tovar
     
  2. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Between PHI-NE and NSH-NYC, it’s like Friday Night Fights (OK, just handbags, but it is Friday). And Jair Marrufo had a red card tonight.
     
  3. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess everyone is in a concacaf mood this week.
     
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  4. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A 2CT even. Again! Alert @RedStar91
     
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  5. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Also in that game Philly had one of their shots blocked by Marrufo's backside. Was he supposed to stop the game and give them a dropped ball? Or does that not count on shots? It was an odd play.
     
  6. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did it result in a change of possession or start a promising attack?
     
  7. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Marrufo 2ct alert. That should be a push notification like an Amber alert.
     
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  8. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Everyone was CON-CA-CAF fighting, Those cats were fast as lightning"
     
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  9. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Thanks. I think Philly collected the rebound near the sideline and they kept possession.
     
  10. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The weirdness continues. Fischer sends SKC's Espinoza off after a VAR review in the 58th minute of LAFC-SKC. Got to the right decision - Espinoza came down HARD on the LAFC player's ankle from the inside of the leg.

    The red mist is all over MLS tonight!

    EDIT - TUDN's Rameses Sandoval can REALLY draw out his goal calls!! The second one was 14 seconds.
     
  11. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    09/04/21

    Vancouver Whitecaps vs Austin FC
    BC Place (7PM ET)
    REF: Pierre-Luc Lauziere
    AR1: Corey Rockwell
    AR2: Jeremy Hanson
    4TH: Robert Sibiga
    VAR: Carol Anne Chenard
    AVAR: TJ Zablocki

    Orlando City vs Columbus Crew
    Exploria Stadium (7:30PM ET)
    REF: Armando Villarreal
    AR1: Kevin Klinger
    AR2: Logan Brown
    4TH: Marcos DeOliveira
    VAR: Jorge Gonzalez
    AVAR: Kyle Longville

    FC Cincinnati vs Inter Miami CF
    TQL Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: Lukasz Szpala
    AR1: Adam Garner
    AR2: Andrew Bigelow
    4TH: Kevin Broadley
    VAR: Edvin Jurisevic
    AVAR: Cory Richardson

    Real Salt Lake vs FC Dallas
    Rio Tinto Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: Baldomero Toledo
    AR1: Matthew Nelson
    AR2: Chantal Boudreau
    4TH: Allen Chapman
    VAR: Alex Chilowicz
    AVAR: Chris Elliott

    San Jose Earthquakes vs Colorado Rapids
    PayPal Park (10PM ET)
    REF: Joe Dickerson
    AR1: Jeff Hosking
    AR2: Mike Rottersman
    4TH: Dave Gantar
    VAR: Kevin Terry Jr
    AVAR: Mike Kampmeinert
     
  12. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Vancouver and Austin hacking each other all over the place tonight too. It's a crazy weekemd
     
  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sixteen fouls and 3 cards doesn’t sound like it fits the description. Was a lot missed/let go or were there just a few egregious challenges? I ask because Lauziere needs a good performance if he has hopes of making assignments a more regular occurrence.
     
  14. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    Anyone watch Lukasz Szpala's game? How'd that go?
     
  15. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #16 SouthRef, Sep 5, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2021
    visiting family and went to this game -

    overall he seemed fine although a few things seemed off…

    There were two instances where he let play continue through a foul and then whistled as soon as they broke through. While it looked to me like the defenders stopped playing because they expected a whistle (he had it to his mouth) blowing a whistle when someone is 1v1 doesn’t look great

    Brenner (CIN) dives a lot and it was really irritating to MIA; very clear wave off every time he went to ground but didn’t address it that I could see. Late in the game Brenner went down in the area under a heavy challenge - I didn’t see that well so I don’t know if that was another dive or he was fouled. Probably a lesson in there about crying wolf…

    First caution of the match was to Shea (MIA) for a foul right in front of the CIN bench (defensive third). He played advantage and there was a lot of dithering around in midfield and then another foul. It took what seemed like forever for him to go back and caution Shea. Seemed a weird advantage and he was slow to resolve the confusion.

    after he scored the game winner in 90’ Shea made an obscene gesture to some home fans who were heckling him. His back was to the referee, 4th was looking at home bench and AR1 was writing.

    His fitness was excellent and he seemed to read the play well. The coaches were two old ManU teammates (Phil Neville, Jaap Stam), who actually seemed pretty quiet - definitely more calm than I expected.

    Overall a relatively sedate game and not very hot tempered but I think those things would have come back to bite him in a more competitive or contentious atmosphere.
     
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  17. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  18. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    The beginning of the game was very chippy and aggro. But the early caution seemed to settle things down a good bit.
     
  19. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  20. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Missed Cadiz. I guess I read it as 5 red cards then.

    Lovitz and Castellanos are guilty of violating the league's policy around hands to the neck/face/head. I recognize they aren't also given the one-game suspension, but I thought that had to do with missed VC only being punished with a suspension if it rose to a 2-game ban? Is the policy really written in a way where MLS fines players for "hands to the face" that doesn't reach the red card threshold in its mind? Because, well, that seems silly.

    EDIT to say that I don't actually think MLS really wanted 5 red cards there, of course! That's why I said "technically" above.
     

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