New England Revolution vs Nashville Gillette Stadium (7PM ET) REF: Silviu Petrescu AR1: Jeffrey Greeson AR2: Claudiu Badea 4TH: Lukasz Szpala VAR: Jose Carlos Rivero AVAR: Tom Supple Columbus Crew vs D.C. United Lower.com Field (7:30PM ET) REF: Victor Rivas AR1: Andrew Bigelow AR2: Meghan Mullen 4TH: Kevin Broadley VAR: Robert Sibiga AVAR: Craig Lowry CF Montréal vs Atlanta United Stade Saputo (7:30PM ET) REF: Dave Gantar AR1: Matthew Nelson AR2: Cory Richardson 4TH: Marcos DeOliveira VAR: Geoff Gamble AVAR: Robert Schaap Philadelphia Union vs Toronto FC Subaru Park (7:30PM ET) REF: Ted Unkel AR1: Peter Balciunas AR2: Ryan Graves 4TH: Greg Dopka VAR: Rubiel Vazquez AVAR: Ian McKay Chicago Fire vs New York City FC Soldier Field (8PM ET) REF: Baldomero Toledo AR1: Brian Poesche AR2: Benjamin Hall-Volpenhein 4TH: Sergii Demianchuk VAR: Ismir Pekmic AVAR: Eric Boria New York Red Bulls vs FC Cincinnati Red Bull Arena (8PM ET) REF: Jon Freemon AR1: Jason White AR2: Corey Rockwell 4TH: Alyssa Nichols VAR: Jorge Gonzalez AVAR: Brian Dunn Orlando City vs Inter Miami Exploria Stadium (8PM ET) REF: Armando Villarreal AR1: Jeremy Kieso AR2: Diego Blas 4TH: Tori Penso VAR: Guido Gonzales Jr AVAR: Jeff Muschik Austin FC vs Houston Dynamo FC Q2 Stadium (9PM ET) REF: Joe Dickerson AR1: Eric Weisbrod AR2: Gjovalin Bori 4TH: Elton Garcia VAR: Kevin Terry Jr AVAR: Jonathan Johnson Seattle Sounders vs FC Dallas Lumen Field (10PM ET) REF: Fotis Bazakos AR1: Nick Uranga AR2: Kevin Lock 4TH: Joshua Encarnacion VAR: Daniel Radford AVAR: Fabio Tovar LA Galaxy vs Real Salt Lake Dignity Health Sports Park (10:30PM ET) REF: Nima Saghafi AR1: Jeremy Hanson AR2: Apolinar Mariscal 4TH: Ramy Touchan VAR: Alejandro Mariscal AVAR: Mike Kampmeinert Los Angeles FC vs Sporting Kansas City Banc of California Stadium (10:30PM ET) REF: Alan Kelly AR1: Ian Anderson AR2: Eduardo Mariscal 4TH: Michael Radchuk VAR: Tim Ford AVAR: Felisha Mariscal Portland Timbers vs San Jose Earthquakes Providence Park (10:30PM ET) REF: Allen Chapman AR1: Jeff Hosking AR2: Ben Pilgrim 4TH: Mark Allatin VAR: Alex Chilowicz AVAR: Joshua Patlak
Good to see Ted back in the middle already after what had to have been the worst episode of Nathan For You I've ever seen!
The PK and first half stoppage time for DC United is interesting. It's one of those where it was a simple careless trip but could have still have been a red card for a dogso.
Not a trip. Mensah pulled Paredes by the arm. Not sure how it wasn't red for DOGSO as Mensah made no effort to play the ball unless they gave Columbus the benefit of the doubt with a defender in the other side of the penalty area.
I'm looking at the crappy ESPN plus replay on my phone. To me it looks like he caught him on his trail leg too but I also agree it's probably a red card either way.
I'd love to hear an explanation from PRO as to why that wasn't red at some point (or if they think it should have been).
Ok better ref than me peeps. How are Wanyama AND Martinez both shown reds in the AU v Montreal game? josef initiated contact with a chest shove and got a hand to the throat in response. I'm good with matching yellows. I'm good with a yellow and red. But 2 yellows followed by reds? What the hell was that even? Losing count of prior yellows? I'm mystified?
Hand to throat is an easy red. The other red is likely for a “headbutt.” As little force as there was with the headbutt, it would not have been credible to issue only one red. So it’s double yellow or double red, and I for one support the latter. Also, the Gantar originally gave double yellows and after the review canceled the yellows and changed both to reds. It’s clear from the highlights on the MLS App, which I can’t figure out how to share.
Any thoughts on the incidents in the 19th and 39th minutes of the Seattle-Dallas match. 19th - apparent foul on Ruidiaz in the box that kept him from making contact with the ball 39th - shirt tug in the box on Montero Neither appeared to be reviewed by VAR even though they were very questionable no-calls....
Here's video of the potential missed DOGSO in CLB/DCU. https://www.mlssoccer.com/video/pen...lty-jonathan-mensah-columbus-crew-46th-minute
That feel when Victor Rivas is a referee who started in a local club of yours and is probably the highest ranking ref who will ever come from your area and the referee message board is saying how he got a CMI decision wrong Also having trouble seeing how that isn't a DOGSO, why VAR didn't intervene, and would like to see what PRO says. Only things I could see possibly being the justification is that the ball was too far in front of the attacker, and maybe them thinking that the #30 defender could have gotten there? I don't agree with either of those, but those are really the only justifications they could use right?
Seemed like it was the players who lost the plot. Chapman kept his cool like a vet. I didn’t watch the game, so I can’t speak on his effect on the overall temperament but from 93’ forward it was the players who didn’t want to play. Didn’t seem like the coaches wanted to play either. Maybe he could have just ended it earlier? On another note Chara definitely earned two yellows there.
I wholeheartedly disagree, having seen the entire match. Chapman had some pretty big misses and was less than consistent. Which is not the type of night to have with these two teams. They hate each other. I also don’t know that I agree about the Chara yellows. The second was a yellow, the first was questionable. He likely doesn’t trip him if he isn’t pulled down from the front first.
I found the replay. On broadcast I didn't see the X arm signal after pulling out the yellow. I disagree 100% about the "headbutt" watching the highlights. Josef's face goes into Wanyama's neck. Deciding both players are at fault and should be equally penalized is well and good. But matching YC means ignoring a fairly quick, loose "choke", something the league can review after if they think a red was warranted. That seems far better than inventing a new definition of headbutt which will cost a DP a game unless Atlanta is willing to burn a challenge to find out what the league wants to consider a headbutt these days.
Thanks, found it. https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/recap-cf-montreal-2-atlanta-united-2 On the broadcast, I totally missed the X hand signal that the YC was rescinded. Looked like he had decided to give a second YC to each player after review. Matching penalties would be fair if yellow. That means deciding the the quick, loose "choke" wasn't really a choke, something the league can decide to overrule on review. RCs forces Atlanta to decide whether it's worth an RC challenge just 2 weeks after the last to find out if "headbutt" now includes pushing your face into someone's neck after being choked and shoved into the back of the net. I had no idea what the call was during broadcast and wouldn't have known after replays without you saying that's what it was. Taking away the DP striker from a team winless in a dozen matches is a very heavy thumb on the scale of justice.
Oh no, two players acted like 5 angry five year olds and got sent to time out. What a grave injustice. [emoji35]
Rapid fire... Rivas' yellow just seems like an error. Doubt you'll hear anything from PRO because it's an error of omission rather than commission and there was no VAR intervention. If it was a slow week and PRO really felt VAR needed to intervene, maybe they'd point that out. But it doesn't seem like a slow week. I am interested in whether or not Sibiga sort of just missed this the OGSO aspect of it or felt there was some sort of leg contact that justified DOGSO-yellow. That's really the only interesting question. Otherwise it's just a miss, which happens. Gantar's double red sort of illustrates a place where the long-established ways of refereeing and VAR overlap. To be clear, I'm perfectly fine with the result because otherwise VAR would just be about enforccing rules and directives rigidly, rather than using it to officiate and manage the game. What I mean is this... in pre-VAR days, that's either double yellow or double red. If it's seen as a dust-up and coming together, it's yellows for both. If the hands to the throat are seen, well, it's red for both because Martinez was also aggressive enough to justify a VC card (attempting to headbutt is just as violent as connecting with a headbutt per the LOTG). The problem is, in the VAR age, we have this clear and obvious standard. So on this play, the throat grab is clear; it's a clear missed red card. Martinez's attempted headbutt and overall aggression is less of a clear error (because you could get away with a yellow card if you didn't have to red card his opponent). If you switched completely from "I'm refereeing a soccer game mode" into "I'm adjudicating a single play via video with only the 'clearly wrong' standard," you can get tripped up. Because by the first standard, the card colors are the same--it's the only credible outcome. But by the second standard, yeah, absolutely you could say red to Wanyama and yellow to Martinez, but then you're allowing new technology to change the way we officiate the game and manage players on the field. Some may want that. And that's a much larger debate. But for me, with Martinez doing enough to justify a red card (to be clear, if he had been given a red in real time, it was NEVER getting overturned), once you realize you must send Wanyama off it has to become two red cards. On Portland/San Jose, I've only seen the "15 minute" summary so don't have all the context of the match to comment overall. But those are two stonewall yellow cards from Chara. I mean, he turns and looks to Chapman before the whistle even blows on the second one, knowing he was going to walk. And the first one he didn't really complain about, just tried to argue he got elbowed or pushed aside first. But again, without commenting on anything else, that seemed an easy 2CT. Dickerson also had a good red card in his match, though watching it makes me wonder about whether or not it needed to be out faster. He got it right and maybe he was just taking his time after getting burned a little recently and the players stayed under control so he must have been quelling any uprising, but that elbow was close to Leonardo on Ramos bad, so I personally would have liked to see red in the air before the sound of the whistle stopped. Ten seconds from stoppage to card felt like forever given the actual act of violence. Oh, and Gantar's first red was excellent. It was pretty close to the Rivas miss, but obviously centrally located rather than coming a diagonal approach.
@MassachusettsRef, DC's coach Hernan Losada said post game that he was told the ball was too far away from Paredes by the referee crew for it to be an obvious goal scoring opportunity.
That's probably the best honest answer from Rivas of what he saw in the moment, because the ball ending up in the goalkeeper's hands can be deceiving. But, it's also obviously wrong. When the foul starts, if you look at the cut of the grass the ball is no more than three yards from the feet of the attacker. The attacker hits the turf, with the foul completed, and the ball is still less than a full cut of grass away from him (those are two yards long, but we are at an angle so maybe the ball is four yards away from his head?). It's just abundantly clear he gets to that ball first. The ball almost dies before the goalkeeper comes to grab it.
I'll look to see if I can find a highlight, but I thought Chapman missed a penalty kick in the SJ/POR game that I was surprised did not get overturned by VAR. Portland player had a fairly open header about 8 yards from goal, and the San Jose defender had a pretty solid grasp pulling back his shirt collar as well as possibly tripping the attacker at the same time. It was definitely arguable whether the attacker could have gotten a good head on the ball either way, but it still looked like a foul to me. Other than that, I thought Chapman had a pretty stellar second half from a decision standpoint. I'm not sure if he could have done better with all the handbagging at the end--he did look a little weak and awkward throwing yellow cards around to indistinguishable targets while standing in the middle of the mob of players. But we all know that sometimes players are intent on being dickheads and there's not much you can do.
You can see the PK shout in the SJ/POR game at about the 6:15 mark here, but unfortunately they don't show any replays so it's really difficult to tell in real time: