2021 MLS Week 10 Referee Discussion

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  1. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    06/25/21

    Inter Miami vs Orlando City
    DRV PNK Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: Allen Chapman
    AR1: Cory Richardson
    AR2: Gjovalin Bori
    4TH: Sergii Demianchuk
    VAR: Daniel Radford
    AVAR: Jozef Batko

    06/26/21

    Sporting Kansas City vs Los Angeles FC
    Children’s Mercy Park (5:30PM ET)
    REF: Chris Penso
    AR1: Cameron Blanchard
    AR2: Corey Rockwell
    4TH: Brandon Stevis
    VAR: Edvin Jurisevic
    AVAR: Kevin Lock

    Toronto FC vs FC Cincinnati
    Exploria Stadium (7PM ET)
    REF: Rubiel Vazquez
    AR1: Jason White
    AR2: Brian Dunn
    4TH: Silviu Petrescu
    VAR: Jorge Gonzalez
    AVAR: Jozef Batko

    Chicago Fire vs Philadelphia Union
    Soldier Field (8PM ET)
    REF: Fotis Bazakos
    AR1: Adam Wienckowski
    AR2: Jeremy Kieso
    4TH: Lukasz Szpala
    VAR: Alejandro Mariscal
    AVAR: Jeff Muschik

    Real Salt Lake vs Houston Dynamo
    Rio Tinto Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: Nima Saghafi
    AR1: Claudiu Badea
    AR2: Peter Balciunas
    4TH: Michael Radchuk
    VAR: Kevin Terry Jr
    AVAR: Craig Lowry

    Nashville vs CF Montréal
    Nissan Stadium (8:30PM ET)
    REF: Jon Freemon
    AR1: Ian Anderson
    AR2: Eric Boria
    4TH: Ted Unkel
    VAR: Dave Gantar
    AVAR: Walt Heatherly

    Seattle Sounders vs Vancouver Whitecaps
    Lumen Field (9PM ET)
    REF: Guido Gonzales Jr
    AR1: Eric Weisbrod
    AR2: TJ Zablocki
    4TH: Luis Guardia
    VAR: Ramy Touchan
    AVAR: Mike Kampmeinert

    San Jose Earthquakes vs LA Galaxy
    PayPal Park (10PM ET)
    REF: Armando Villarreal
    AR1: Andrew Bigelow
    AR2: Chris Elliott
    4TH: Danielle Chesky
    VAR: Alex Chilowicz
    AVAR: Fabio Tovar

    Portland Timbers vs Minnesota United
    Providence Park (11:30PM ET)
    REF: Rosendo Mendoza
    AR1: Jeremy Hanson
    AR2: Jeff Hosking
    4TH: Baldomero Toledo
    VAR: Malik Badawi
    AVAR: Joshua Patlak
     
  2. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Good DOGSO call in SKC:LAFC
     
  3. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought so as well. Maybe could say that there was one central LAFC defender that could be considered as coverage, but this is one where SKC has a goal scoring opportunity and it's clearly an intentional/cynical foul. This is one of those where a caution could have been somewhat justified, but it can be considered a goal scoring opportunity and the foul was clearly intentional. I'd rather see a play like this punished with a send-off so we don't see as many clearly cynical fouls.
     
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  4. TLR2

    TLR2 Member

    Mar 26, 2016
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Timbers coach infuriated about an apparent racial slur sent to one of his players during the match and lack of consequence by the official. Not sure what was said, but he’s hopping mad.

     
  5. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just watched the video.

    Comes back from replay and Chará is discussing something with Mendoza, clearly upset. Mendoza gets together with one of the ARs and 4th for a discussion. That over, there is a discussion with the captains, and then the game continues.

    Doesn't seem to be a case where someone heard something and didn't speak up. I think whatever happened was out of earshot.

    Will be interested to see what the league can dredge up in the inevitable investigation.
     
  6. incognitoind

    incognitoind Member

    Apr 8, 2015
    I respectfully disagree. The next touch is a shot on goal from inside the penalty area. At this level there is no grey area. That’s a red card
     
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  7. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Dogso was created to remove cynical “professional fouls” from the game. Like too many things, it has, IMO, become too technical in nature. I’d like to see the cynical element more prominent, if only in an instruction that when weighing the other factors, cynical fouls should raise the bar on the other elements. (We sorta, kinda, not exactly have that in the PA.)
     
  8. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I realize I didn't phrase my original post well at all. I am in 100% agreement that this is a send-off for the reasons you mentioned. I also think Chris Penso is one who will make a call like this and not worry about the optics so much.

    The better way for me to say what I did is that if Penso had ruled this as a SPA caution, I doubt whether this would have been called down as a clear and obvious error because of the reasons I mentioned. I know a lot of this depends on what the C&O bar is, but had Penso called this a caution I'm not sure he would have been recommended to take another look. I hope he would have, because I do think this is a very professional foul and should lean more toward a DOGSO send-off compared to a legit play on the ball in this case.

    A send-off was the right call, and I'm glad it was made. There are referees and situations where I do think we would have seen a caution.
     
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  10. Scrabbleship

    Scrabbleship Member

    May 24, 2012
    Not sure what this clown expects the crew to do. You can't punish what you don't hear or see.
     
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  11. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've been wondering if the tracking vests the players all wear could incorporate microphones (and whether the players' union would agree to it).
     
  12. OkieZebra

    OkieZebra Member

    Aug 11, 2013
    Club:
    Norwich City FC
    If you do that, I think you have to sell it as "mic-ed up for broadcast", and even then probably not.
     
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  13. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    is it still week 10? Unkel with the 5 minute VAR review... How that insanely wild tackle wasn't a PK is beyond me. Is he just claiming that because the player cleared the ball before wiping out his opponent that it was OK? I expect that will definitely be in the week in review
     
  14. orangefc

    orangefc New Member

    Atlanta United FC
    United States
    Jun 7, 2018
    Similar issue a couple weeks ago. A player clears out another player after the ball is gone. It seems like a foul everywhere on the field except in the box.



    edit at 3:58
     
  15. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    so at least he's consistent?
     
  16. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was going to mention this. I can’t compare the two because I haven’t seen tonight’s yet. But I know this was considered a miss PK and PRO wanted the VAR to send it down. So I hope, for Unkel’s sake, tonight’s was different in some critical way.
     
  17. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    tonight's was the defender making a clearance and wiping out his opponent as opposed to the crossing player being fouled after the cross.
     
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