2021 Attendance Thread

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  1. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Just my opinion but if everyone was in their seats at the same time I'd have put the over/under no higher than 58k. But given the climate I'll take it, and more importantly we were in much better voice today, so I'm pleased.
     
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  2. SabreKhan

    SabreKhan Member+

    Jun 25, 2007
    United States
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Weirdly, the people who were sitting next to me arrived in about the 40th minute, and they'd just gotten to the stadium. They brought their 2y/o, which was great because it gave my 4y/o somebody to entertain. The crowd was loud enough to be heard at the MARTA station a half-mile away.
     
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  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #628 Paul Berry, Jul 24, 2021
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    Chicago vs. Toronto 12,288
    Minnesota vs. Portland 19,691
    Nashville vs. Cincy 23,382 (season high)
    Dallas vs. Galaxy 14,812
     
  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    RSL vs. Colorado 17,325
    San Jose vs. Houston 12,793
    LAFC vs. Vancouver 22,049
    NYC vs. Orlando 13,503 @YankeeStadium
    New England vs. Montreal 18,217
     
  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Inter Miami vs. Philadelphia 14,057
    DC United vs. RBNY 15,912
    Seattle vs. Kansas City 32,790

    Costa Rica vs. Canada; USA vs. Jamaica 41,318
     
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  6. zensum

    zensum Member+

    Jan 22, 2008
    The Bronx, NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Wow...15 additional travel minutes prevented you from following your local team...

    As mentioned many times in the past location was only one NYCFC fanbase issue.

    I suspect a lot of NYCFC fans back in the day didn't think MLS was good enough to follow. And in New York we have a love um or hate um dynamic. It actually has good features because you always have a rooting and following interest...just pro and con. Still remember listening on radio to Willie McCovey hit a 2 out screaming liner in the bottom of the 9th down a run with runners on second and third in game 7 of the 1962 Series. Two feet on either side of Yankee second baseman Bobby Richardson and the SF Giants defeat the hated Yankees...but alas instead it went straight to Richardson and the damn Yanks won again...to some tiny extent still feel that disappointment today lol. But it's very hard to switch gears midstream. So by the time many were interested in giving MLS a second look their RBNY take was already baked in.

    And to that same fan segment NYCFC without actually articulating it certainly left the impression they weren't going to be a traditional MLS team. Mansour's billions would be spent not just on 3 DPs but 3 world superstar DPs...the Man City of MLS. In fact the vibe was NYCFC would have as many superstar DPs as the league allowed and were lobbying hard to increase that number. It was a bad faith aspect of the launch campaign that produced initial enthusiasm but serious diminishing returns once fans discovered that wasn't going to be the case.

    You were right earlier most New Yorkers don't go to New Jersey...unless of course they have something important to do there...family...friends...games...
    concerts...shopping. But that's really not that much different from traveling within the city. Grew up in Brooklyn then Queens then also lived in Manhattan. I seldom set foot in the Bronx and only 3 times now over close to seventy years in Staten Island. Then I moved to the Bronx and now almost never go to Queens and seldom even to Brooklyn. It's the reason or event that takes you out of your daily environs.

    New Yorkers in the many tens of thousands go to the Jets and Giants and Cosmos and World Cup / other marquee soccer and music concerts. You and the rest of your fanbase just decided it wasn't important enough. For me in the Bronx 3 blocks to the 4 train to WTC then 20 minutes to Harrison on the PATH. Used to spend much more time getting to Mets and Jets at Shea Stadium and that was from Hollis Queens back in the '60s...had to take the Q2 bus to the subway...tons of people from that part of Queens did it...still do actually...
     
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  7. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Really good pro-US crowd in Arlington. New place to play? Usually its Mexico who goes there.
     
  8. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LAFC vs. Minnesota 22,003
     
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  9. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    New place for friendlies.

    Maybe World Cup 2026.

    World Cup Qualifiers? Probably a "no" on that one.
     
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is in the bidding for FWC 2026.

    Capacity: 80,000
    (Bid book capacity: 92,967)
    (expandable to 105,000)

    I don't think there's been a World Cup attendance of over 100,000 for a while. The Azteca in 1986 was probably the last.
     
  11. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Yes. That is why I said maybe the USA can play there in the World Cup.

    Would be cool if they could get playing surface right.
     
  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well they'll have 6-8 months and I'm sure there will be plenty of friendlies bringing in coin.
     
  13. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I heard a rumor though that the drainage is horrible for temporary grass but that was why they did not host Centenario matches.

    But we shall see how they have improved since then.
     
  14. SabreKhan

    SabreKhan Member+

    Jun 25, 2007
    United States
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Back in '94 the Rose Bowl could hold over 100k. But for a variety of reasons, capacity was set at 94k for the World Cup. I seriously doubt Jerry World would have all 100k seats available for a World Cup game. If I recall correctly, a fair number of those are standing-room tickets anyway at Jerry World, and I don't think FIFA allows those anymore for major tournaments.

    To get 100k all-seater at a World Cup game in the States, you'd have to play at a college football venue. Which, by the way, I'm all for, even though none of them would qualify as UEFA Cat4 and the field would be tiny.
     
  15. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    What about wcq against Canada or Jamaica?
     
  16. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    I don't think FIFA would allow standing room... Without standing room capacity is 80k...
     
  17. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    None? What about the rose bowl??
     
  18. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Maybe.
    But if it is like this cycle the Federation appears to not want to play on turf or temporary grass.
     
  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a shame that our biggest soccer cities in Cascadia and Atlanta can't host major games.
     
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  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    New York City vs. Columbus unknown
    Orlando vs. Atlanta 18,910
    LA Galaxy vs. Portland 15,644
    Seattle vs. San Jose 32,704
     
  21. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they were truly big soccer cities they would have grass fields.
     
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  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's not the main criteria.
     
  23. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you distill the sport down to its essence it is a large factor.
     
  24. SabreKhan

    SabreKhan Member+

    Jun 25, 2007
    United States
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All-seater capacity at the Rose Bowl is less than 100k.
     
  25. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Oh yeah I don't know why I was thinking this was just about all college football stadiums lol.

    Rose bowl is 93k now I believe.
     

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