2020/24 Takumi Minamino @ Liverpool F.C. (ENG)

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  1. teioh

    teioh Member+

    Apr 17, 2012
    Naohiro Takahara is our personal gust of optimism, please don't bother him.
     
  2. naopon

    naopon Member+

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  4. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    4 goals and 2 Assist = 6 Scorer Points ;)

    And Minamino was often praised by Klopp and media. Of course some games he was bad but often he was very good. Thats not optimistic thats a fact. I like to use facts.

    Minamino didnt get a fair Chance thats a fact. Its impossible to rate him cause he needs to play some games in a row. He almost do the best out of his chances. 6 scorer points are good for 17 games. Even when you compare he only played about 700-800 minutes.
     
  5. Whispered11

    Whispered11 Member+

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    Well, working with Hasenhuttl isn't so bad anyway.
     
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  6. datschge

    datschge Member+

    Feb 9, 2014
    Germany
    Having worked at Leipzig Hasenhüttl is familiar with the requirements the RB clubs have for its players so he should have a better idea how to make good use of Minamino than Klopp.
     
  7. mushu21_2

    mushu21_2 Member

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    Southamton is not a bad choice, I think it is the most suitable club for Minamino atm.
     
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  8. HTCONEM8

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    Good for him. I hope he gets more playtime and prove his doubters wrong.
     
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  9. takeuchi

    takeuchi Member+

    Jan 20, 2013
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    scorer pts? WTF is this nonsense. is this even a "thing"?

    again, fair chance? No, he did. He was initially bought to be role/bench player. He played more mins compared to Shaqiri & Origi. We have a established front 3 & unless you make an instant impact like Jota... it was always gonna be the case for Minamino to make his case in CUP matches etc.

    also, again.. it was Minamino who was picked & played ahead of Shaqiri, Origi & Curtis Jones early in the season. simply put, those 3 players made more impact as the season went on.. especially Curtis Jones.

    as for Klopp often praising Minamino? umm.. WHAT? during the pre-season, yes. he played well & much was expected of him at the start of the season.. only for him to disappoint.

    I really wanted Minamino to do well, especially.. also, as Cerezo Osaka supporter but it isn't easy at top club like Liverpool.
     
  10. datschge

    datschge Member+

    Feb 9, 2014
    Germany
    It actually is.

    Other than that I have to agree, Minamino had his chances and didn't achieve enough with them. Shaqiri and Origi play less but seem to be fine with that, and they have impact once they are being relied on (both excelled at the late CL stage two years ago after which they received contract extensions), they are classic squad players. Minamino needs to play more, so it's good he's being loaned out to a club and coach who may be able to accommodate him more.
     
  11. gamban98

    gamban98 Member

    Dec 7, 2013
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    There is no option to buy him at the end of the loan.

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  12. HTCONEM8

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    #162 HTCONEM8, Feb 2, 2021
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    Minamino needs to step up his game then. Klopp still believes in him.

    In other news, his new team got thrashed 9-0 by Man United.
    Could've been a disastrous debut if he partook in the game and the "told ya" crowd would definitely tear him apart.
     
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  13. teioh

    teioh Member+

    Apr 17, 2012
    Well if it's true Klopp give him the fair chance you were talking about with an entire half-season in loan to Southampton.
    Better than benching him.
    Jurgen is always a wise man.
     
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  14. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Today Klopp gave in Interview about Minamino in which he told that ist was his (Klopps)fault that Minamino didnt shine enough. He said he gave him no fair chance and this was one of the reasons Liverpool struggled time to time cause Minamino was on fire and he didnt bring him.
     
  15. Dax

    Dax Moderator
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    Feb 29, 2012
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    Sure but that's PR. It's Klopp doing what he does best. Have you ever seen Klopp seriously blame a player? He's always like that, always trying to be positive and taking responsibility. It's part of why players love him.
     
  16. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    #166 NaohiroTakahara, Feb 4, 2021
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    Thats only a imagination if its PR or not. Nobody can say what ist true or not. You can only work with facts and a fact is that Klopp told he gave Minamino no real Chance, then he gets no real Chance, point.

    Klopp also told in an Interview 4 weeks ago that he made big mistakes in the Integration and using on Minamino and that was a reason why they scored less goals in a period of games.

    All other stuff is only imagination nothing more.

    It doesnt come out of nowhere that a large amount of Fans and also english media praise Minamino when he was playing. And many fans were so embarassed when Minamino played so lovely in the 7:0 and some days later assisted the 2:0 in the very bad and close Cup game and was never seen again beneath his 6 minute cameo.

    When a player is on fire, scoring and assisting, then you get him playing time and thats what Klopp didnt. Sure he has his own thoughts about it and knows the Situation better then people arround but that doesnt mean he gets a fair Chance.

    A fair chance would be 3-4 games in a row.


    For example players like Shaqiri are awesome too, Shaqiri was outstanding for Bayern and was a save first eleven player there too. He doesnt get fair chances too and after some some time, month and years you can los a piece of your self strenght.

    Shaqiri for example is in normal from a world class player and mile away from beeing a "squad player"

    When you was good enough to be a first 11 player for Bayern then you are good enough for every Team in the World. Its all about how you get used.
     
  17. takeuchi

    takeuchi Member+

    Jan 20, 2013
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    umm, okay.. sure. whatever.

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...urgen-klopp-explains-takumi-minamino-19490138

    really, not much more after crystal palace game. Minamino is rarely mentioned unless asked by Japanese media.

    as for fans, english media all loving him or whatever. YES, had high hopes at start (including me) but he continued to disappoint. if he wants to start every game, or 3-4 games as you "mentioned"... well, he needed to produce the way JOTA did before his injury or Curtis Jones. he did neither. he fell off the depth chart because, at a top club like in Liverpool.. you have to produce in every game.

    also, to say Minamino.. who is 26 yr old.. is "long term" project, that is simply PR. one for marketing with a view toward Japan/Asia (not to mention, our biggest sponsor is Standard Chartered, bank w/ big operation in Asia & consistently demanded LFC sign Asian player)
     
  18. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Nothing whatever :). Klopp says clearly that he missused Minamino and this was a mistake. Fact, everrhing else are only assumptions.

    Sure Minamoto was not that good like Jota but Jota plays for much longer time in the Premiere League and knows the funtctionality well.

    Minamino played very good for Liverpool and especially at the beginning of the season he was totaly even with Jota but Jota scored then for some games in a row. But he gets the fair Chance to play 3-4 games in a row.


    Minamino deserved this Chance too after his goal in the 7-0 win and his winning assist in the cup. The media praised him a lot for some games. And the Fans really want him to play in the last weeks. Even some experts said that it is very very weird that Minamino didnt play after he was so on firefire


    And one thing is for sure, Minamino is bought of his qualitys on the pitch not PR. That PR thing is a nice bonus of course. But you cant say its PR or not cause you doesnt know anything like me or other outstanding people cause all other stuff is only assumption.

    I only go through facts, Klopp told its red, then its red. To mention maybe its yellow or green is only assumption nothing more.
     
  19. YakYak

    YakYak Member

    Feb 9, 2009
    Hope he has a good first match.
     
  20. takeuchi

    takeuchi Member+

    Jan 20, 2013
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    omfg, so much delusion.
     
  21. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    #171 NaohiroTakahara, Feb 4, 2021
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2021
    You are so emotional and mad and no real facts, thats the problem by some football Fans.
    For example the Liverpool Fans thinks the same, they enjoyed Minamino and also dont want him to leave cause they see him as one of the better players at the club, which means a lot.

    https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/02/02/liverpool-fans-react-to-takumi-minaminos-exit/?ampampo

    Or some praises like often when Minamino plays.

    https://www.thisisanfield.com/2020/...fans-react-as-liverpool-thrash-blackpool/amp/

    You finde soooo much aritcles how good Minaminos performances were at some times. And Klopp sooo often outsingled Minamino in positive, thats a thing he doesnt do that often.


    Has nothing to do with deselusional, that are facts.

    And dont get me wrong, I can be that Minamino is not good enough for Liverpool, maybe but maybe not, its impossible to say when he played that little and its way more complex then "its all up to him".... Soooo many stuff that play a reason in such a progress.
     
  22. takeuchi

    takeuchi Member+

    Jan 20, 2013
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    #172 takeuchi, Feb 4, 2021
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2021
    omfg, so much DELUSION.

    links an article of fringe LFC supporters. i can easily link some BS like this too you know..

    https://readliverpoolfc.com/2020/11...akumi-minaminos-performance-against-brighton/

    https://www.rousingthekop.com/2021/...as-takumi-minamino-joins-southampton-on-loan/

    links an article after PRESEASON, of which... i already stated Minamino was good & a lot of expected of him this season but only to disappoint in REAL GAMES, not some meaningless ********ing friendlies before JOTA arrived.
     
  23. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    #173 NaohiroTakahara, Feb 4, 2021
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2021
    Sure you finde also some negative articles but not that much, in the end there are way more positive articles then negativ. Thats easy to say.


    And like I said, that are example articles.

    And alsooooo dont get it why you are so incredible mad, I am very friendly and only post neutral facts. Nothing more.

    You only talk everything bad..like Klopps Interviews are PR, the Fans who like Minamino are fringe etc.
    You only post emotional and angry stuff.

    In the end of the day you can discuss about Minamino which means its not clear for everybody if he was that good or not. But he wasnt that Bad and you cant judge a player in such rarely appereances.
     
  24. mushu21_2

    mushu21_2 Member

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    Sep 1, 2018
    mate, he's like that for every jnt's players, not just minamino, just move on.
     
  25. Dax

    Dax Moderator
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    Feb 29, 2012
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    Guys, no need to drag it further, everyone made his opinion clear I think.
     
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