2020-2021 UEFA Referee Discussion [R]

From 1993-1998, although Elleray never worked a UCL knockout round match he did have 5 knockout round matches in the Cup Winners Cup and Uefa Cup.

1993 UEFA Cup
Quarter-final, 1st leg
Real Madrid 3-1 Paris Saint-Germain - 6 yellow, 1 red

1994 UEFA Cup
Quarter-final, 2nd leg
Eintracht Frankfurt 1-0 (4-5 penalties) Austria Salzburg - 8 yellow, 1 double yellow

1995 Cup Winners Cup
Quarter-final, 1st leg
Sampdoria 0-1 Porto - no cards issued

1997 Cup Winners Cup
Quarterfinal, 1st leg
Barcelona 3-1 AIK Solna - 0 yellow, 2 red

1997 UEFA Cup
Semi-final, 1st leg
Tenerife 1-0 Schalke - 6 yellow, 2 red

NOTE
In 1992-93 the UCL did not have KO quarterfinals and semi-finals.
In its place were two groups of four teams each.
Elleray had the one of these matches: Matchday 6 - Porto v IFK Göteborg
But the match was a dead rubber as Milan were already confirmed as group winners after Matchday 5 and thus had already booked their place in the UCL final.

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fwiw
Number of UEFA club matches for English referees, 1992/93 - 1997/98.

* one asterisk represents one knockout round match.
e.g. in 1995-96 Dermot Gallagher reffed 2 UCL KO matches

I DID NOT include the above mentioned 1993 Porto v Göteborg as a KO match.

1992-93
5 David Elleray (2 UCL, 1 CWC, *2 Uefa)
3 Philip Don (*1 UCL, *1 CWC, 1 Uefa)
3 Brian Hill (1 UCL, 1 CWC, 1 Uefa)
1 Gerald Ashby (1 UCL)
1 Stephen Lodge (1 CWC)
1 Martin Bodenham (1 Uefa)
1 Joseph Worrall (1 Uefa)

1993-94
5 Philip Don (*2 UCL, *1 CWC, *2 Uefa)
4 David Elleray (2 UCL, *2 Uefa)
2 Brian Hill (2 Uefa)
1 Gerald Ashby (1 CWC)
1 Stephen Lodge (1 CWC)
1 Martin Bodenham (1 Uefa)
1 Mike Reed (1 Uefa)

1994-95
4 David Elleray (2 UCL, *1 CWC, 1 Uefa)
4 Dermot Gallagher (1 CWC, 3 Uefa)
2 Gerald Ashby (2 Uefa)
1 Stephen Lodge (1 CWC)
1 Martin Bodenham (1 CWC)

1995-96
4 Dermot Gallagher (**3 UCL, 1 Uefa)
2 Paul Durkin (1 UCL, 1 Uefa)
2 David Elleray (1 UCL, 1 Uefa)
2 Mike Reed (2 Uefa)
1 Stephen Lodge (1 CWC)

1996-97
4 David Elleray (1 UCL, *2 CWC, *2 Uefa)
3 Mike Reed (3 Uefa)
2 Paul Durkin (1 UCL, 1 Uefa)
2 Stephen Lodge (1 CWC, 1 Uefa)
0 Dermot Gallagher - Gallagher suffered an Achilles injury during Euro 96 which kept him out of action until early 1997. He only reffed 9 Premier League matches - none in the FA Cup or League Cup - during the 96-97 campaign.

1997-98
6 Paul Durkin (**4 UCL, *2 Uefa)
3 Dermot Gallagher (1 UCL, 2 Uefa)
3 Graham Poll (1 UCL, 2 Uefa)
2 David Elleray (2 UCL)
1 Stephen Lodge (1 CWC)

 

In his book, Elleray says that he informed the FA ahead of time that he could not take the time off to go to the WC98 and therefore should not be nominated.
This was because the critical exams that determined university admissions were scheduled at the same time and he needed to be there to prepare his students for them. Harrow is one of the top private schools (Public in British vernacular) where the sons of the rich and powerful go at great cost. The boys are expected to get good exam results and get admitted to the prestigious universities like Oxford and Cambridge. Many of their alumni become members of the UK government. WInston Churchill was a student there.

So although it sounds odd, it does seem plausible as he would not have wanted to lose his prestigious job.

PH

 

I will go into this in a bit more detail later - and also the Vautrot/Quiniou question - but this is correct.

Elleray took himself out of the running for the WC due to being short-listed for a top job at Harrow, which he ultimately missed out on, not to prepare students for exams. As you said, he was quite open about the reason in his autobiography.

 

I always suspected that those allegations played a role in Vautrot skipping WC1986, since they coincided with the only gap (1985-1987) in his top international career.

 

Elleray said on many occasions that he missed WC1998 due to job-related interview. However, I also found it interesting the lack of top FIFA or UEFA appointments between 1996-1988 vs his potential selection for WC1998. While I respect his personal choice, I am not aware of any other top referee who deliberately gave up a chance to attend a WC for a job interview.

 

Sorry, we probably should have been clearer here - he didn't "withdraw from consideration" for the WC because he was "attending a job interview". The interview itself was late spring/early summer, but the more important consideration was that if he got the role, he would have been expected/needed to take it up early in the summer - that is, while the WC was running.

So, it wasn't the "interview" itself that was the issue - it was the fact that he would not be able to take up the role in the timeframe required if he was at the WC.

 

The finals referee teams have been announced.

2021 UEFA Champions League final refereeing team
Referee: Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz (Spain)
Assistants: Pau Cebrián Devis, Roberto Díaz Pérez del Palomar (both Spain)
4th official: Carlos del Cerro Grande (Spain)
VAR: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (Spain)
VAR Assistants: Juan Martínez Munuera, Íñigo Prieto López de Cerain (both Spain), Pawel Gil (Poland)

2021 UEFA Europa League final refereeing team
Referee: Clément Turpin (France)
Assistants: Nicolas Danos, Cyril Gringore (both France)
4th official: Slavko Vinčić (Slovenia)
VAR: François Letexier (France)
VAR Assistants: Jérôme Brisard, Benjamin Pages (both France), Paulus van Boekel (Netherlands)

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/med...3VE62isAfqHGNrWGq20Zcyiy67dOw1LEFJci_rvf1lEjo

 

Indeed they are. And it is inevitable that media coverage focuses almost solely on Mateu Lahoz's history with Guardiola. Will be very interesting if there is controversy going either way.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nal-referee-official-sent-Guardiola-2018.html

 

They need to shut up managers about referees once and for all. You don't get freedom of speech to talk shit about coworkers. I'm a huge fan of Guardiola but he needs to shut up about referees just like Mourinho or else he could get someone killed (Mourinho forced referees out of the game due to threats).

 

So much to unpack in 7 minutes of highlights between Inter and Juventus.

VAR awards two penalties that, in the pre-VAR days, are almost never given. For sure, in regards to the second one. That's never given.

Then a pretty soft second caution for a SPA foul. I don't think that gets given in the Champions League. Even the Inter player gives an expression of, "I don't know see how that's a red card."

Referee then disallows a goal for a foul by the attacker on the field. Since, the whistle came after the ball went into the net, VAR checks and deems that there was no foul by the attacker. Goal given and so much for the VAR would reduce dissent as Chiellini gets a booking for protesting the call.

Finally, a third penalty is given this time on the field and I just have a hard time seeing that as a penalty. The problem for the VAR is when you award one penalty for the most minor of contact earlier in the game, it becomes really hard to say that this isn't a penalty.

in general, the referee had a really poor game and his management of the match was poor.

Every couple of years in Italy, a referee, on one of these big matches between Juve, Milan, Inter and Roma, will just have a complete stinker of a match. Luckily this match only really mattered for Juve and not Inter.

I saw Rizzoli just completely mess up a Milan derby. Rocchi had his fair share of shocking performances in these big games. I can't explain it or understand, but you almost never see a game like this between one of the big clubs in England or an El Clasico just botched in Spain.

 

I know referees aren't supposed to officiate any differently with VAR as they did before with the exception of a few technical differences such as delaying your whistle, etc, but, in reality, it has changed the way referees officiate games.

I don't think any MLS referee would even risk calling this foul on the field. Let the VAR sort it out. If it's obvious enough, the VAR will intervene.

I do applaud the referee for trying to make the call on the field, but as we've seen the risks just far outweigh the rewards.

There is almost zero incentive now to call a foul on the attacker on situations like this on a corner or set piece. Unless it is just so blatant and obvious. I'm talking two hand shove in the back where you're completely thrown to the ground.

 

Yes. At least that's what they said on the broadcast. I haven't confirmed 100%.

 

That was an amazing set of highlites. The attacker foul/goal as you say is such high risk reward, that you are better off letting it get sorted out. The second yellow SPA thing might not have been worthy of a yellow on its own, but certainly didn’t rise to the 2CT level at all.

 

In Spain, Estrada Fernández has retired with his last match being a 2-2 draw between Levante and Cádiz.

http://www.explica.co/catalan-referee-estrada-fernandez-retires.html

 

Thoughts?

https://vk.com/video365483467_456240279

 

This is a perfect example from what IFAB showed of a supporting arm. The arm that the ball hits is vertical as the player is sliding and falling toward the ground. While it may not yet be on the ground, that doesn't matter.

The example is in their 19-20 law changes presentation found here, right at the end of the handball section:

https://theifab.com/presentation-of-ifab-log-2019-20/

 

I just turned the game on for the 2nd half of extra time. Are there no comments because the game has been drab (Clive and Rob have insinuated as much on the CBSSN broadcast), Turpin has been good, or some of both?

 

Nothing happened in the entire match. One offside review, and I surmise the world feed in UEFA does not show what VAR are looking at so I still don’t know how close the United goal was to being OS. Neither team was very good.