2019-20 Roster Movement Thread

Discussion in 'Sporting Kansas City' started by vividox, Sep 23, 2019.

  1. lukeD

    lukeD Member

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't protect Peter.
     
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  2. SportingKCFan

    SportingKCFan Member

    Sep 2, 2010
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I generally agree with that list except I would keep Medranda for sure, probably for either Hassler or Smith.
     
  3. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kuzain is a HGP.

    I'd also protect Barath.

    I also wouldn't protect Smith or Hasler, but you have to protect some people.
     
  4. kcscsupporter

    kcscsupporter Member+

    Apr 17, 2002
    D17
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yeah, Medranda would get snapped up, I'd think, so I'd protect him over Roger and definitely over Smith.
     
  5. vividox

    vividox Moderator
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    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Dang. Never thought I'd see the day we had seven HGPs on our roster. Getting hard to keep track of them all.
     
  6. vividox

    vividox Moderator
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    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I am legitimately surprised Medranda is 25 yo. I thought he was on the wrong side of 30 for some reason. He was really 19 when he first played for us? Damn.

    Okay, yeah, Medranda over Smith, then.
     
  7. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At the same time we still continue to say he has potential. He's a fine depth piece but I don't think he's ever an every game starter.
     
  8. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'd think we'd want to protect Barath. I'd also think that even if we want to have Roger around in 2020, we can expose him.
    How can we expose of protect Nemeth if he's out of contract? And can we really expose our only two strikers? I can both being snatched as bench options, so maybe protect Hurtado as a bench option ourselves? Is salloi still in the homegrown protected class? I thought that had an age limit, and he was at it (23)? Then again, so many rules about everything in MLS, maybe I'm thinking of something else. To your needs list, I'd add Barath and Ilie, just because replacing every position is impossible.
    Would it be a PR disaster to leave Besler unprotected? And would it work to trade Zusi and get some value from him?
     
  9. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We can protect/expose Nemeth because it would then become about his MLS rights. You have to expose/protect everyone that's on your roster in 2019.

    We can expose both forwards because only 1 player can be taken from KC, so we won't lose both even if we expose both (https://www.mlssoccer.com/media-resources/2019-expansion-draft-rules).

    Same link I included shows 25 for HGP players as the age, so Salloi is fine.
     
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  10. kckicker23

    kckicker23 Member

    Jun 10, 2003
    KC
    I mostly agree with everything here. Given that Kuzain is a HGP, I'd just slot Medranda over Espinoza in the original list that was posted. I'd like to keep Smith just because he proved to be a reasonable backup at CB. And I think we may as well accelerate the post-Espinoza period and get his wages off the books, in the event he gets taken.
     
  11. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Protecting Medranda would be an act of affirmation, but is there a practical value to it? He hasn't really played since either of the new clubs were announced. I mean, it's been just about two full years. From the outside, he looks like a massive injury risk. In the draft, I'd think they'd want safe bets, If we expose Zusi, I expect that will be the player we lose. He ticks all the boxes, versatile, experienced, under contract, leadership and with both his success through the years with us and his Nats time, he'd a name to excite a fan base ( even if new fans don't know him, the notation US national team veteran who played in the 2014 WC is a PR plus, as is the idea that he was on several occassions an MLS all star). He can play up front, in the midfield or at RB, and is really a great bench option for spot starting.
    If we keep him, I think he makes us better in 2020, not as a full time starter but more of a fireman. Still, the Zusi era is ending, and it's better to let someone go a season early than a season late.
     
  12. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    So, reworking this list, and just tweaking in the 12 with ()
    Homegrown Exemptions:
    Busio, Duke, Freeman, Hernandez, wan Kamal, Lindsey, Salloi
    Protected Players:
    1. Russell (INT)
    2. Gutierrez (INT)
    3. Martins (INT)
    4. Melia
    5. Besler
    6. Gerso
    7. Zelalem
    8. Ilie
    9. (Medranda)
    10. Hasler (INT)
    11. (Barath)
    12. Smith

    Unprotected Players:
    1. Zusi
    2. Feilhaber
    3. Sinovic
    4. Nemeth (INT)
    5. (Espinoza)
    6. Wallace
    7. Hurtado
    8. Dick
    9. Zendejas
    10. Fontas (INT)

    So while we're only possibly losing one of the unprotected players, none of them would be considered essential to our 2020 starting 11. I remove Espinoza from the protected group because i think we're well beyond peak Roger, and he's a spot starter from here on out.
    Up top we'd be going with:
    Salloi/Gerso (new striker, say Lewandowski) Russell
    Midfield
    Felipe G two from Ilie, Zelalem, wan Kamal or (new guy, say Pogba)
    Backline
    Martins Besler Barath/Smith/(new guy, say EPB or Miazga) Lindsey/Hasler
    Keeper
    Melia.
    Now, assuming we sigh Lewandowski and Pogba level players, that's a great lineup.
    If, for some odd reason, we fail to do that, we are a weaker starting 11 than started 2019. Roger and Zusi are huge losses to us, if we think about their level of play at their recent best, so 2018. We need to upgrade at least to that level.
    Melia 2019 was below peak Melia. Salloi was below peak Salloi, Ilie was below peak Ilie, Besler was below peak Besler. Zelalem and wan Kamal are difficult to see as strong MLS starters, but maybe they improve.
    We've got serious holes.
     
  13. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My 12 for who I think PV will protect. A couple changes from the other list. Zelalem had a minor knock but pretty much didn't play for the last 2 months of the season, I don't think he's back period at this point so I'm not sure he's protected, in his place I threw Hurtado cause I couldn't think of anyone else (that's the last change I made). Medranda is on the list mainly because while he hasn't played in 2 years, Nashville's GM was here when he had his most successful season as a professional. Hasler I left off because he's on an international and I don't see us protecting 5 of them. Smith I don't protect because he's proven time and again so far that he's just not up to MLS level. In their places I put Zusi and Espinoza because ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    1. Russell (INT)
    2. Gutierrez (INT)
    3. Martins (INT)
    4. Melia
    5. Besler
    6. Gerso
    7. Hurtado
    8. Ilie
    9. Medranda
    10. Zusi
    11. Barath (INT)
    12. Espinoza
     
  14. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you do that because you hope you can flip them for something of value to a new expansion team or something ... hate to lose them for nothing in the expansion draft when you could possibly trade them for some _AM.
     
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  15. kcfooty

    kcfooty Member

    Feb 16, 2011
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree... I think that one would get taken. I think you at least try to get some flavor of Garber bucks for them.
     
  16. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    No, you do that because you're Peter Vermes and these guys literally made your managerial career. I think we as fans are much more ready to move on from the core we've had for years than Pete is. I've honestly got pretty low expectations as to how much change we'll see.

    Some interesting stuff here: https://www.thebluetestament.com/20...kansas-city-kc-2019-20-offseason-schedule-mls
     
  17. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Or we could offer a deal, take Fontas and we will throw in a Zusi or Roger
     
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  18. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Throw in "MLS rights to Belgium Star Yohan Croizet" and homegrown rights to Josh Sargent!
     
  19. KCFutbol

    KCFutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 14, 2001
    Overland Park, KS
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To paraphrase Hercule Poirot, "I'm not Belgian, I'm a frog".
     
  20. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The podcast referenced above, the one with Johnny Russell on Benny and Ike and Sal's show, was interesting on Croizet. They all agreed he was not making it happen at SKC, but they also agreed that in the first months they wondered why he'd moved to MLS instead of Serie A, they said he was spectacular in practice, in the beginning.
     
  21. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Medranda's injury history might work in our favor. Aside from that, this time around there is no one left unprotected that I will be upset if another team gets them.

    Buzz, how does it work when a player is out of contract but drafted here? Do they negotiate?
     
  23. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they're out of contract, the draft team gets their MLS rights.
     
  24. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    So Zendejas because at this point neither Miami nor Nashville have a single keeper signed ( Miami has the rights to one still playing in college)? The only surprise for me was not leaving anyone out there who would attract attention. Most likely loss would be who? Barath? Gz? Nemeth? We may not lose anyone
     
  25. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Medranda will get some looks because of his relatively cheap contract ($155K) and versatility.
     

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