2018 CCL draw

Discussion in 'CONCACAF Champions Cup' started by Paul Calixte, Nov 29, 2017.

  1. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    >Colorado vs Toronto
    I seriously hope the clubs do some more smack talk along these lines now that the pairing is real. X-D
     
  2. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #27 Paul Calixte, Dec 18, 2017
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2017
    Don't forget that the first leg down there will be before an empty stadium. :D
     
  3. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    What a joke.

    US teams except Canada still not meeting Mexican teams from the get go...

    Hard to take this tournament seriously
     
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  4. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you know how the pots were decided and have an issue with it or are you just ranting?
     
  5. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    #30 Robert Borden, Dec 18, 2017
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2017
    Not everyone agrees with the format which is far from perfect. It's just rather strange that things ends up being almost exactly like previews tournaments in the knockout stage.

    Costa Rica clubs are at a clear disadvantage but it doesn't matter in the end, Liga MX will still win the cup this year
     
  6. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A clear disadvantage they earned, unless you're suggesting that CONCACAF cooked the books. The results of the past 5 competitions determined the seeded teams. And having seeded teams is hardly "a joke".
     
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  7. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    #32 Robert Borden, Dec 18, 2017
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2017
    1st of all: it's CONCACAF

    2nd, former formats and draws were already manipulated. It was designed that US and Mexicans clubs never met in group stage. (Since 2012 IIRC) So yeah, Costa Rica and Canadian clubs were at a disadvantage until they changed the format again

    Do the math and you'll see that using past results based on the old manipulated format gives you roughly the same thing which doesn't necessarily reflects reality. Saprissa and Herediano are better clubs than most MLS clubs

    Would US MLS clubs ranked this high in the club index if they had to face Liga MX clubs at groups stage? I seriously doubt it.
     
  8. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The USA and Mexico separation started in 2012 when there changed from being 4 groups to 8 groups. Obviously when there were 4 groups USA and Mexican clubs had to face each other just like some World Cup groups have 2 UEFA teams.

    It's possible that US MLS clubs would have ranked worse if they had to face Liga MX clubs in the Group Stage, but it's impossible to make rankings based on how clubs would have done against opponents they didn't play. It's kind of like thinking about whether an Eastern Conference club or a Western Conference club that had near the same amount of points would have done if MLS had a balanced schedule.
     
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  9. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Actually the Canadian entry could not face a Mexican team in the first round. Toronto was in Pot 1 along with all 4 Mexico teams and 3 of the USA teams. Colorado was in Pot 2 and could have been drawn against a Mexican team in the Round of 16.
     
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  10. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Building off that comment, this format actually favors the likelihood of having a USA-MEX matchup in the first round, i.e. a greater than 50% chance. If we work under the assumption that, for the forseeable future, all four MEX teams will be in Pot 1, then you're guaranteed to have at least one MLS team in Pot 2, and for argument's sake let's also assume it won't be the CAN team either. That means you have one or more USA teams in Pot 2, each with a 50% chance of seeing a MEX team in the first round. As such, you're more likely than not to have at least one USA-MEX matchup right off the bat. The luck just fell the other way this time.
     
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  11. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
  12. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    It is funny how the old concacrap lady luck sent Colorado to Toronto (assures no MLS-MEX meeting in the first round) and how it managed to make 4 LMX-MLS matchups in quarters. No MEX-MEX or MLS-MLS before semis.
     
  13. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let's be real, though:

    We all know CONCACAF would bend over backwards to have a Chivas-América final :cautious:
     
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  14. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I think they want MLS to finally lift that trophy. It's in CONCACAF's interest to show that this region isn't a one country story. Seeing who's president right now, I'm sure he wouldn't mind TFC winning
     
  15. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Any other year yes. I think they really want that final
     
  16. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How many times have Chivas and Club America both been in the CCL or CCC?
     
  17. SixKick

    SixKick Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 13, 2000
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Doing a quick scan of the tournaments, it appears that it has only happened one time, in 1985. They actually faced each other as well. America advanced 4-2 on aggregate.
     
  18. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    normal
     
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  19. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Ugh!

    giving the chicas every possible advantage. Its sickening to be honest. @LGRod
    must be having a laugh....smh
     
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  20. LGRod

    LGRod Member+

    Mexico
    Aug 14, 2010
    Listenin to Los Bookies
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    That would be best for business and I'd watch.
     
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  21. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    1985 was the last time they faced each other in the CCL, huh. Well then...

    [​IMG]

    And it would be more ammo to dis the Northern teams, who are overrated. The Kings of Mexico are Pachuca, gotta win that CCL to knock em off the perch. No excuses.
     
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  22. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they wanted MLS to lift the trophy they wouldn't have made its strongest team ever in the tournament have to go through Tigres and Ameríca just to get to the finals.
     
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  23. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    CONCACAF may do corrupt things, but this draw ain't one of them.
     

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