2017 U.S. Open Cup schedule

Discussion in 'US Open Cup' started by newtex, Mar 1, 2017.

  1. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Game of the Round! Should be one for the ages! Hehehe. Obvious, this is a biased opinion.

    How did you know the pairings from the 3rd Round to the 4th Round? Do they try to make the match ups as regional as possible? Is that why in the 4th Round, some MLS teams are matched up against one another (i.e. Red Bulls/NYC FC)?

    Going forward, I understand the bracket is already set all the way up to the finals. How is the home field advantage decided in the 5th Round up to the final?
     
  2. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The USSF uses geography as much possible pretty much all the way through the tournament. There had to be three all-MLS matchups due to the number of teams in the 4th round. They try to do those where there aren't many lower division teams in the area. You will notice that those are in the Northeast, western Midwest, and the Pacific Northwest this year. Those areas have MLS teams but not many lower division teams.

    The final 16 bracket is not set until after the 4th round is over. They will take the 16 remaining teams and put them into 4 geographic regions and then draw for match-ups within those regions. Once they have the match-ups they flip coins for home field through the rest of the tournament.
     
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  3. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    When was the last time we had margin as big as this?
     
  4. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was the biggest U.S. Open Cup margin of victory since a First Round game on June 12, 2007 that was Atlanta Silverbacks 10-0 Azzurri (at Atlanta, I'm specifying that because Americans normally put home clubs second).
     
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  5. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    U.S. Open Cup

    Third round

    Home team first, times are ET

    Tuesday, May 30
    Michigan Bucks (PDL) vs. Saint Louis FC (USL) 7:30 pm

    Wednesday, May 31
    Rochester Rhinos (USL) vs. GPS Omens (Mass.) 7:00 pm
    Jacksonville Armada (NASL) vs. Charleston Battery (USL) 7:00 pm
    FC Cincinnati (USL) vs. Louisville City FC (USL) 7:00 pm
    Reading United AC (PDL) vs. Harrisburg City Islanders (USL) 7:30 pm
    North Carolina FC (NASL) vs. Charlotte Independence (USL) 7:30 pm
    Miami FC (NASL) vs. Tampa Bay Rowdies (USL) 7:30 pm
    Chicago FC United (PDL) vs. Christos FC (Md.) 8:00 pm
    Tulsa Roughnecks FC (USL) vs. San Antonio FC (USL) 8:00 pm
    Colorado Springs Switchbacks FC (USL) vs. OKC Energy FC (USL) 9:00 pm
    Phoenix Rising FC (USL) vs. San Francisco Deltas (NASL) 9:30 pm
    L.A. Wolves FC (Calif.) vs. Orange County SC (USL) 10:30 pm
    Sacramento Republic FC (USL) vs. Reno 1868 FC (USL) 10:30 pm
     
  6. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
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  7. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Michigan Bucks
    1 - 2
    Saint Louis FC

    half-time:
    (0 - 2)

    match details:

    13'
    0 - 1
    S. Sebastian Dalgaard

    16'
    0 - 2
    S. Sebastian Dalgaard

    46'
    F. Francis Atuahene
    1 - 2
     
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  8. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FT
    FC Cincinnati
    1 - 0
    Louisville City FC

    FT
    Jacksonville Armada FC
    0 - 1
    Charleston Battery

    AET
    Rochester Rhinos
    2 - 1
    GPS Omens

    FT
    Miami FC
    2 - 0
    Tampa Bay Rowdies

    FT
    North Carolina FC
    4 - 1
    Charlotte Independence

    FT
    Reading United A.C.
    0 - 3
    Harrisburg City Islanders

    FT
    Chicago FC United
    0 - 1
    Christos FC
     
  9. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    AET
    Tulsa Roughnecks FC *
    0 - 0
    San Antonio FC

    FT
    Colorado Springs Switchbacks FC
    1 - 2
    OKC Energy FC
     
  10. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Free food and beer?! It turned out to be a great pre-game celebration because congratulations to North Carolina FC on advancing to next round and I think they're gonna host the match against the Dynamo so here's to North Carolina continuing to win and host the games! :thumbsup:
     
  11. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    late scores last nite 2017 LH USOC

    FT
    Los Angeles Wolves
    0 - 1
    Orange County SC

    FT
    Phoenix Rising FC
    1 - 2
    San Francisco Deltas

    FT
    Sacramento Republic FC
    2 - 0
    Reno 1868 FC
     
  12. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    U.S. Open Cup

    4th Round:


    Home team first, times are ET

    Tuesday, June 13
    DC United (MLS) v. Christos FC (Md.) 7:30 pm
    Seattle Sounders (MLS) v. Portland Timbers (MLS) 10:30 pm

    Wednesday, June 14
    FC Cincinnati (USL) vs. Columbus Crew SC (MLS) 7 pm
    North Carolina FC (NASL) vs. Houston Dynamo (MLS) 7:30 pm
    New England Revolution (MLS) vs. Rochester Rhinos (USL) 7:30 pm
    Philadelphia Union (MLS) vs. Harrisburg City Islanders (USL) 7:30 pm
    Atlanta United FC (MLS) vs. Charleston Battery (USL) 7:30 pm
    Orlando City SC (MLS) vs. Miami FC (NASL) 7:30 pm
    Saint Louis FC (USL) vs. Chicago Fire (MLS) 8:00 pm
    New York Red Bulls (MLS) vs. New York City FC (MLS) 8:00 pm
    FC Dallas (MLS) vs. Tulsa Roughnecks FC (USL) 8:00 pm
    Sporting Kansas City (MLS) vs. Minnesota United FC (MLS) 8:30 pm
    Colorado Rapids (MLS) vs. OKC Energy FC (USL) 9:00 pm
    Sacramento Republic FC (USL) vs. Real Salt Lake (MLS) 10:30 pm
    Los Angeles Galaxy (MLS) vs. Orange County SC (USL) 10:30 pm
    San Jose Earthquakes (MLS) vs. San Francisco Deltas (NASL) 10:30 pm
     
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  13. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Here's the latest update of my ever popular* league ELO rankings.

    *not at all true

    Some basic info, for those who want it:
    1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and what is now NASL used to be USL D-1, and the A League before it. Similarly for all the other levels.
    2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
    3. The actual results used are as follows:
    a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
    b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
    c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
    4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
    5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
    6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.

    2017 Note: Based on earlier discussions, I will keep NASL and USL separate for this year. Once we see how sanctioning for these leagues goes, a final decision about their future representation in these numbers will be made.

    RoundMLSNASLUSLPDLNPSLUSASA/etc
    2016179816091575137112891358
    2017 R1179816091575136512981354
    2017 R2179816031608136312841344
    2017 R3179816231606134112841348


    3 of 4 NASL teams advanced this round, all of those beating USL teams on their way, pushing NASL ahead of USL in score (just by a bit). USL is able to maintain their overall score by beating amateur teams. No PDL teams remain, 2 were eliminated by USL teams, and one by USASA team Christos FC. Christos FC is the only remaining amateur team left in the tournament. MLS teams enter next round, but unless there are a bunch of upsets, I wouldn't expect the ratings to change by all that much.
     
  14. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks, it might be interesting to see if there has been any trend over the last 5 years...a question I have...
    has the NPSL and USL had any improving head to head results vs. the PDL and NASL?
     
  15. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    I don't currently have any sort of accounting of head to head results. I do have a chart of sorts of their historical ratings.

    NPSL has overall been declining in rating since 2012, but that could just be an overall correction effect. Since all leagues started at 1500 rating, and NPSL didn't have significant numbers of teams in the competition until the last several years, their quite likely wasn't a reflection of their actual place/skill until recently. They've been hovering pretty close to 1300 rating for the last 3 years.

    PDL has overall stayed quite consistent over the last 5 years, with a rating in the upper 1300s. The only exception to this is the year NPSL and USASA added a bunch of teams.

    USL has had a very slight (if any) upward trend over the last 5 years, while NASL has had a very slight (if any) downward trend over the same period. The change between these two is the most likely of any of the above to have any real weight behind it, in my opinion. Though I do feel it important to repeat that any such trend is a very minor one. The two leagues haven't ever really been particularly far apart.

    Of the most interest to me is the widening gap between MLS and the rest of the pack. For the last two years (2015 and 2016), MLS has had their largest gap in ratings between them and the next highest league.
     
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  16. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    U.S. Open Cup

    UPDATED 4th Round:


    Home team first, times are ET

    Tuesday, June 13
    DC United (MLS) v. Christos FC (Md.) 7:30 pm
    Colorado Rapids (MLS) vs. OKC Energy FC (USL) 9:00 pm
    Seattle Sounders (MLS) v. Portland Timbers (MLS) 10:30 pm

    Wednesday, June 14
    FC Cincinnati (USL) vs. Columbus Crew SC (MLS) 7 pm
    North Carolina FC (NASL) vs. Houston Dynamo (MLS) 7:30 pm
    New England Revolution (MLS) vs. Rochester Rhinos (USL) 7:30 pm
    Philadelphia Union (MLS) vs. Harrisburg City Islanders (USL) 7:30 pm
    Atlanta United FC (MLS) vs. Charleston Battery (USL) 7:30 pm
    Orlando City SC (MLS) vs. Miami FC (NASL) 7:30 pm
    Saint Louis FC (USL) vs. Chicago Fire (MLS) 8:00 pm
    New York Red Bulls (MLS) vs. New York City FC (MLS) 8:00 pm
    FC Dallas (MLS) vs. Tulsa Roughnecks FC (USL) 8:00 pm
    Sporting Kansas City (MLS) vs. Minnesota United FC (MLS) 8:30 pm
    Sacramento Republic FC (USL) vs. Real Salt Lake (MLS) 10:30 pm
    Los Angeles Galaxy (MLS) vs. Orange County SC (USL) 10:30 pm
    San Jose Earthquakes (MLS) vs. San Francisco Deltas (NASL) 10:30 pm
     
  17. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
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  18. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I remember when MLS was just starting up, the local clubs had their 'Open' games televised in their local TV markets. Today, with so many new channels and 'sequels' to both local and national sports channels (i.e. MSG 2, YES, NESN, ESPN2, FS2, Fox Dallas, Fox Arizona, The Ocho: ESPN 8. I just can't get enough of it.) not to mention countless repeats of matches in all these channels, you would think they would televise these matches... at least in tape delay.
     
  19. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    That must pre-date Houston's entry into MLS in 2006. We've never had an Open Cup game on TV. Did most teams really get all their Open Cup games on TV before that?

    All the regular season league games weren't even on TV when Houston first joined the league in 2006. New England was seen as revolutionary because they were the only team that had all games on TV locally. I don't think the MLS rule requiring all games to be on TV came until around 2009.

    Channel availability isn't the issue. It is a cost/benefit issue. Producing the games for TV is more expensive than streaming. The teams and broadcasters don't make anywhere near enough money to pay that back in most cases.
     
  20. gringolimon

    gringolimon Member

    Club Bolívar
    Bolivia
    Sep 12, 2007
    White Plains, NY
    Club:
    Bolivar La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    My mistake... I was definitely over generalizing then. Back then I was a D.C. United fan and because of their initial success, their cup matches were televised even over here in NY and because it was NY, I remember they televised MetroStars' cup matches as well. Maybe it was just these few clubs and I was assuming all cities and towns were like this as well.
     
  21. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    U.S. Open Cup

    4th Round:

    Home team first, times are ET

    Tuesday results:

    Tuesday, June 13
    DC United (MLS) 4-1 Christos FC (Md.)
    Colorado Rapids (MLS) 3-2 OKC Energy FC (USL)
    Seattle Sounders (MLS) 2-1 Portland Timbers (MLS)

    Wednesday, June 14
    FC Cincinnati (USL) vs. Columbus Crew SC (MLS) 7 pm
    North Carolina FC (NASL) vs. Houston Dynamo (MLS) 7:30 pm
    New England Revolution (MLS) vs. Rochester Rhinos (USL) 7:30 pm
    Philadelphia Union (MLS) vs. Harrisburg City Islanders (USL) 7:30 pm
    Atlanta United FC (MLS) vs. Charleston Battery (USL) 7:30 pm
    Orlando City SC (MLS) vs. Miami FC (NASL) 7:30 pm
    Saint Louis FC (USL) vs. Chicago Fire (MLS) 8:00 pm
    New York Red Bulls (MLS) vs. New York City FC (MLS) 8:00 pm
    FC Dallas (MLS) vs. Tulsa Roughnecks FC (USL) 8:00 pm
    Sporting Kansas City (MLS) vs. Minnesota United FC (MLS) 8:30 pm
    Sacramento Republic FC (USL) vs. Real Salt Lake (MLS) 10:30 pm
    Los Angeles Galaxy (MLS) vs. Orange County SC (USL) 10:30 pm
    San Jose Earthquakes (MLS) vs. San Francisco Deltas (NASL) 10:30 pm
     
  22. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
  23. Owen Thornhill

    Dec 22, 2012
    Club:
    Cork City
    I was at the game, Sounders used 5 S2 players and Timbers used 9 T2 players. Neither team took the game very seriously. Disappointing.
     
  24. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Here's the latest update of my ever popular* league ELO rankings.

    *not at all true

    Some basic info, for those who want it:
    1. These rankings use all USOC games since 1996 to determine the relative strengths of the leagues. The names used below just represent the current names of leagues at that level. In reality the leagues have changed around a lot, and what is now NASL used to be USL D-1, and the A League before it. Similarly for all the other levels.
    2. There are bound to be mistakes back in the history, but the beauty of ELO rankings is that they are self-correcting over time, so the "actual strengths" probably aren't too far off from this right now, even with errors in older competitions.
    3. The actual results used are as follows:
    a. Game finishes in regulation with a result: goals scored
    b. Game finishes after extra time with a result: goals scored
    c. Game goes to penalty kicks: goals scored before the penalty kicks. The game is "recorded" as a tie.
    4. A home team has its rating raised by 100, and the change in ratings for each of the teams is calculated based on the result of the game, and the relative difference between the two ratings. This means that currently, we would expect an NASL team hosting an MLS team to be slightly in favor of the MLS team, but not significantly so.
    5. The average change in score for any individual game is about 7. This means that one league goes up by 7, and the other down by 7.
    6. There is no way to account for the fact that many MLS teams play 'B' or 'C' sides in the first few rounds they participate. I can only base it on the teams fielded.

    2017 Note: Based on earlier discussions, I will keep NASL and USL separate for this year. Once we see how sanctioning for these leagues goes, a final decision about their future representation in these numbers will be made.

    RoundMLSNASLUSLPDLNPSLUSASA/etc
    2016179816091575137112891358
    2017 R1179816091575136512981354
    2017 R2179816031608136312841344
    2017 R3179816231606134112841348
    2017 R4178716321609134112841347


    2 USL teams, and 1 NASL team survive the round. Most of the change this round is from Miami FC winning in Orlando. PDL, NPSL, and USASA ratings will remain the same throughout the remainder of the tournament.
     
  25. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    U.S. Open Cup

    4th Round:

    Home team first, times are ET

    Wednesday results:

    Tuesday, June 13
    DC United (MLS) 4-1 Christos FC (Md.)
    Colorado Rapids (MLS) 3-2 OKC Energy FC (USL)
    Seattle Sounders (MLS) 2-1 Portland Timbers (MLS)

    Wednesday, June 14
    FC Cincinnati (USL) 1-0 Columbus Crew SC (MLS)
    North Carolina FC (NASL) 2-3 (aet) Houston Dynamo (MLS)
    New England Revolution (MLS) 3-0 Rochester Rhinos (USL)
    Philadelphia Union (MLS) 3-1 Harrisburg City Islanders (USL)
    Atlanta United FC (MLS) 3-2 Charleston Battery (USL)
    Orlando City SC (MLS) 1-3 Miami FC (NASL)
    Saint Louis FC (USL) 0-1 Chicago Fire (MLS)
    New York Red Bulls (MLS) 1-0 New York City FC (MLS)
    FC Dallas (MLS) 2-1 Tulsa Roughnecks FC (USL)
    Sporting Kansas City (MLS) 4-0 Minnesota United FC (MLS)
    Sacramento Republic FC (USL) 4-1 Real Salt Lake (MLS)
    Los Angeles Galaxy (MLS) 3-1 Orange County SC (USL)
    San Jose Earthquakes (MLS) 2-0 San Francisco Deltas (NASL)

    4th round:
    Home teams went 13-3 on advancement.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    MLS 13-6
    NASL 1-2
    USL 2-7
    Local Qualifiers 0-1

    NOTE: There were 3 MLS/MLS games. Without those MLS went 10-3 against other leagues.

    Overall for the tournament:
    Home teams went 48-35 on advancement.

    Advancement by affiliation:
    MLS 13-6
    NASL 8-4
    USL 27-16
    PDL 15-21
    Local Qualifiers 12-18
    NPSL 8-17
     

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