2017 Attendance

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  1. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
  2. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First week, 2017 - 5,978 for five games
    First week, 2016 - 7,820 for five games

    Same five cities, too, oddly enough. (Though not the same five venues - FCKC played at the big yard for last year's opener.)
     
  3. MRAD12

    MRAD12 Member+

    Jun 10, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    #28 MRAD12, Apr 18, 2017
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2017
    I have a feeling the Red Stars attendance will not be good, especially early in the season. Too many games in the middle of the day. Heck, I won't be able to make it this Saturday and a couple of other games because of middle of the day on weekend commitments.
    Youth Club teams in Chicago area have games during that time. 2;00, 3:00, even 5:00 is too early to have a game, IMO.

    An example would be May 27th against Carolina Courage. The game is at 3:00 with Memorial Day Weekend Tournaments all over Chicagoland. I will be at The Libertyville Tournament myself way on the north of Chicago and I don't see how I will be able to get to the game on the South Side at 3:00. I don't see how they will be able to get any kind of reasonable attendance with so many Club Teams in tournament mode, people having commitments, etc. And it's too bad because it should be a great game!

    If the game was at 7:00 pm at Toyota park, I would be able to make it for sure, and probably many people and Club teams.

    By luck I was able to go to the Chicago Fire game a week and a half ago against the Columbus Crew. The Fire now have Bastian Schweinsteiger, they won 1-0 on a beautiful sunny Saturday afternoon, game started at 1:00 pm. The official attendance was stated as 16,434 out of a 23,000 stadium and to me it didn't even look like that many. I saw many seats unfilled. I don't know about other cities, but middle of afternoon games in the Spring do not work attendance-wise in Chicago, IMO (unless you are the Cubs playing at the world's biggest beer garden called Wrigley Field).

    I hope I'm wrong, but I don't foresee good attendance for the Red Stars this season with so many games in the middle of the day on the weekend.
     
  4. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
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  5. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    2,153 in Chicago according to the match report. (Last season they had 2,529 for the home opener)
     
  6. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
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  7. MRAD12

    MRAD12 Member+

    Jun 10, 2004
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I barely got to the stadium to watch the last 30 minutes of the game. Traffic in Chicago is horrible during this time of day on a Saturday afternoon. These games are too early in the day and it will hurt Red Stars attendance all season. There are a couple of games for sure I won't be able to make and maybe more, and I'm a die-hard fan.
     
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  8. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
  9. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Not Easter this weekend.... and so many teams down in the 2k zone. Granted, everyone aside from Seattle had drawn under 3k at least once last year, but still.... Getting under 3k for a home opener in so many cities is a bit worrisome.
     
  10. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    The schedule isn't doing the Courage any favors. 7 of 12 home games at 4pm. Can't really complain about April (it was abnormally hot today) - but all 4 home games in July and August at 4pm. That alone should knock a grand or so off of the attendance. A retired member of the media that used to cover the international women's game begged off today because he didn't feel up to the heat.

    And as bad as 4pm from May-September is here, I can't imagine anyone showing up in Houston for day games in the summer.

    Not only that, it makes the games crappier.
     
  11. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's the humidity like there in July/August? I remember July/August in Philly where I grew up, the temperatures were high but it was the humidity that made it awful.

    (As a matter of interest, just looked to compare the latitudes in France and Cary, since the Women's World Cup will be in France the summer of 2019. They're pretty close.)
     
  12. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Kansas City and Raleigh are the same latitude. Completely different weather.
     
  13. orange crusader

    May 2, 2011
    Club:
    --other--
    Summertime in Cary is usually humid, about the same as Philly except a few degrees warmer.

    I don't know where you looked, but from a latitude perspective Cary (~36 deg N) is quite a bit south of France (Paris is ~49 deg N, Marseille is ~43 deg N). To put it in perspective, Cary is about the same latitude as Gilbraltar.

    KC and Raleigh are not the same latitude. To put it in perspective, KC (~39 deg N) is about the same as Baltimore/DC and Raleigh (~36 deg N) is about the same as Fayetteville, AR.

    FYI...1 degree of latitude is 69.172 miles.

    Of course, latitude is only one of a number of factors that determine an area's climate.
     
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  14. warh2os

    warh2os Member

    Oct 29, 2007
    Ocean currents play a big role on the weather. The Gulf Stream of warm water coming up from the equator passing along the east coast, which accounts for the high humidity levels is much different then the much colder water coming down from the Artic that passes along the coast of France.
     
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  15. FawcettFan14

    FawcettFan14 Member+

    Mar 19, 2004
    Colorado
    #40 FawcettFan14, Apr 30, 2017
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2017
    Amid all this detailed talk of latitudes and such, bottom line is the league screwed up with the scheduling this season. Admittedly, they are limited with the Lifetime games by the time window negotiated with the network. But for the other, non-televised games, there is no reason to schedule so many games in mid and late afternoon.

    1) Like it or not, children and families are still a big part of the fanbase. Many of them have youth soccer leagues and other commitments during weekend days. Evenings is when they are free. This will put a dent in attendance.

    2) The summer heat in at least three NWSL cities, possibly more, will be oppressive. It will a) deter fans and b) sap the energy of players = less exciting on-the-field product.
     
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  16. FawcettFan14

    FawcettFan14 Member+

    Mar 19, 2004
    Colorado
    #41 FawcettFan14, Apr 30, 2017
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2017
    Saturday, 4/29 attendance numbers (per NWSL website); home teams bolded
    Portland vs. Chicago: 14,471 (down 1,674 from season home opener)
    North Carolina vs. Orlando: 4,586 (down 1,712)
    Washington vs. Houston: 3,154 (up 747)
    Boston vs. Seattle: 2,315 (down 14)

    Boston averaged 3,672 last season, and the lowest attended game was still above 3,000. Concerning. If the Breakers continue to be a decent team perhaps some fans will come back?

    Washington was bound to struggle after the offseason turmoil and departure of many beloved players. Like Boston, Spirit fans have always been reliable despite on-the-field results. In 2016 they averaged 3,782. A lower number this year would not be surprising, given the negative hit to club image.

    Today is Sky Blue's opener, historically the league's lowest attended team.
     
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  17. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Tonight's attendance Thorns v Breakers 18,637.
     
  18. FawcettFan14

    FawcettFan14 Member+

    Mar 19, 2004
    Colorado
    May 27 attendance numbers, home team bolded
    Houston vs. Seattle: 5,312 (about normal, impressive given the heat)
    Chicago vs. North Carolina: 2,618 (bad but not surprising)
    Sky Blue vs. Orlando: 3,451 (this is really good by their standards!)
    Kansas City vs. Washington: 1,728 (bad)
    Portland vs. Boston: 18,637 (amazing, once again PDX fans bring it home)
     
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  19. rustysurf83

    rustysurf83 Member

    Dec 30, 2015
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Wonder how many of those at the Thorns' game were players from the Friendship Cup? I know at least 9 teams from WA EPD attended.
     
  20. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Teams ranked by percentage change in average announced attendance over the same number of home games as in 2016:

    Team......................2017....2016..Change
    Sky Blue FC..............2,830...1,699..+66.5%
    North Carolina Courage...4,663..*3,998..+16.6%
    Portland Thorns FC......16,353..16,735...-2.3%
    Houston Dash.............5,055...6,271..-19.4%
    Seattle Reign FC.........3,323...4,189..-20.7%
    Washington Spirit........3,115...4,302..-27.6%
    Chicago Red Stars........2,178...3,047..-28.5%
    Boston Breakers..........2,560...3,588..-28.6%
    Orlando Pride............9,856..15,807..-37.6%
    FC Kansas City...........2,345...4,136..-43.3%
    NWSL TOTAL...............5,042...5,986..-15.8%


    *As Western New York

    It's not a completely apples-to-apples comparison, obviously. Orlando had the benefit of a huge outlier as their inaugural and Kansas City had their 2016 opener in the big yard.

    The "league" average for 2016 is for this group of 10 teams, collectively, at those varying stages of their seasons. The first 36 games this year (consisting of a different mix of teams) are down about 12% from last year.

    If every team held their current averages, the league would finish at 5,228, about 300 a game under last year. Still early, though. 70 percent of the schedule remains.
     
  21. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow, two months later, attendance is not an issue? Okay, then.

    Here's where the teams are at the moment:

    Team....................G.....Total..Average...Median...High.....Low
    Portland Thorns FC......8...133,630..16,704...16,468...18,637..14,471
    Orlando Pride...........6....41,943...6,991....5,487...14,452...5,185
    Houston Dash............8....39,716...4,965....5,325....6,095...3,332
    North Carolina Courage..8....32,771...4,096....3,749....6,898...2,383
    Seattle Reign FC........9....33,261...3,696....3,730....4,464...2,727
    Washington Spirit.......7....25,073...3,582....3,190....5,200...2,400
    Chicago Red Stars.......8....23,510...2,939....2,883....4,742...1,827
    Sky Blue FC.............7....18,592...2,656....2,529....3,451...2,091
    Boston Breakers.........7....18,408...2,630....2,435....3,321...2,276
    FC Kansas City..........6....12,972...2,162....1,844....3,340...1,703
    NWSL TOTAL.............74...379,876...5,133....3,576...18,637...1,703
     
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  22. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    Match 15
    Thorns v Dash 18,243
     
  23. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    5,249 in Cary. By far the best weather we've had for a game this year. Our other August game in two weeks is a 3:50 Lifetime game. That has the potential to suck donkey balls. Late August can be 82 degrees and nice, or it can be 95 and humid. The Courage should not play any day games from mid-June through August as a rule. This year the late May games were grueling.
     
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  24. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Excellent attendance. Sending good energy to keep it growing!
     
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  25. Smallchief

    Smallchief Member+

    Oct 27, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    However, a footnote to the good attendance. After the previous Seattle game -- which was delayed for 2 hours because of lightning -- the Courage gave free tickets to ticket-holders for one of two games -- of which this was one. So, probably 1,000 or more were taking advantage of the free tickets.

    I was there with my free ticket.
     

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