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  1. zohee

    zohee Member+

    May 28, 2011
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    Depends on what Durant wants really. I think he's closer to winning a chip, if he joins LA than DC. But yeah this is just day-dreaming. We're resigning Jordan to a max contract. No chance that ain't happening.
     
  2. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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  3. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Sad sad news.


    Speaking of Nash. There was a poll on First take. Who is better, Iverson or Nash.

    Discuss
     
  4. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Complete opposites but I verso dragged a terrible team to the finals which Nash never appeared in on a better team in the suns
     
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  5. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

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    give me nash. he made the people around him better.
    those suns teams were so much fun to watch with nash being the best player.
     
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  6. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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  7. zohee

    zohee Member+

    May 28, 2011
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    I'd probably stick with Iverson. Individually he was better, though I guess it depends on what kind of team you would put together. Iverson on that Suns team would probably be bad, then again Nash couldn't take any team to the Finals on his own. If I were down with a minute to go, I'd take Iverson 9 times out of 10.

    Nash, keep gettin' them checks!
     
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  8. os_mutante

    os_mutante Moderator
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    Aug 8, 2003
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    Good chance Nash becomes the only MVP never to play in the Finals.
     
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  9. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
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    Regular season success doesn't neccessarily correlate with postseason success.
     
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  10. ajbirch07

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    Jan 31, 2008
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    I personally got to witness the decline of Iverson here in Detroit. Iverson's biggest problem wasn't his size, it was his attitude. Hard to compare the two guys because Iverson was more of a SG than a PG and both had drastically different playing styles. Both are going to the hall of fame but I'd have to give the nod to Nash. The way he saw the court and the way he played was magical. Interesting he didn't retire yet. I'd love to see him go back to Phoenix for one more season. They have a great physio staff there, look how they prolonged Grant Hill's career. He could be a nice person to bring off the bench in limited situations.
     
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  11. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
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    Dude Iverson, no question. He literally put a sorry Sixers on his back. He had the slickest handles ever from a PG.
     
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  12. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Maybe - but the fact that he's the only one is sort of interesting.
     
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  13. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Eh - I wouldn't say magical personally. Very good player who worked his butt off - but court vision for me wasn't up there with the likes of Kidd, Stockton and Magic. I was always most impressed by how well he shot given the high energy, sometimes helterskelter way he played.
     
  14. JCNapoli17

    JCNapoli17 Member+

    Aug 23, 2012
    Winning
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    I am extremely bias being a Sixers fan, but we have not done a single thing since Iverson left and the team Iverson carried to the finals was pure garbage, I do not buy this crap that Iverson didn't make the team around him better, because he was the only reason we got to an NBA finals that year. Allen Iverson is one of the best dribblers I have ever seen and the closest I've seen to his dribbling skills is Derrick Rose. If we didn't have a fraud of a GM like Billy King who could hand Iverson a decent team the Sixers might have been able to win things... the best 2nd man Iverson had with the sixers was an old Mutumbo and an injury ridden Chris Webber.

    We still have not recovered from post-Iverson and thats why we are finally accepting trying to tank to hope that a few prospects pan out and we can finally build a decent team. It is extremely high risk and I'm not sure its going to work out for the better, but if Embiid plays as well as his comedy skills on Twitter, we'll be fine.

    Iverson might have been a prick, but he was a better basketball player than Steve Nash. If Steve Nash lead a team single handedly to an NBA final, then we can have a better debate about this in my opinion.
     
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  15. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

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    if the suns played in the east, they would of made multiple championships. unfortunately they had to play against the spurs/lakers.
     
  16. P to the Wee

    P to the Wee Red Card

    Nov 22, 2011
    Susan is a Little Lamb
    Club:
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    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    If you're MVP, your team is in contention
     
  17. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Good post fellas.

    btw, Iverson won the poll, like 60 - 40. Maybe an even bigger margin.

    There's a lot of valid arguments for both sides. Personally, Iverson is my pick. Simply an unstoppable player. The heart, and the skill. Played defense better than Nash too, imo.
     
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  18. os_mutante

    os_mutante Moderator
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    Aug 8, 2003
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    Iverson is 12th all time NBA steals. Nash is 197th. Case closed.
     
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  19. P to the Wee

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    Nov 22, 2011
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    Not only that, but when you hear defense leading to offense, well Iverson also did the opposite: offense leading to defense. He was such a workload on defense for the opponents, that the opposing point guard(or shooting guard/whoever was defending him) would be tired for their offensive possessions. Not to say Nash did not make you work, but the individual is exhausting a lot more energy guarding isolations than the guy pulling out ridiculous passes.

    Not to turn into Hendrixforpope with all of his Heat gifs etc.. so I'll just slide this one in here. For whatever issues Rose will have this season, if he has any long term, it won't be for lack of athleticism/speed. Check 1:28

     
  20. P to the Wee

    P to the Wee Red Card

    Nov 22, 2011
    Susan is a Little Lamb
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    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    As for Nash vs. Iverson directly, depends what I'm choosing. Is this the face of my franchise/number 1 option? Give me Allen Iverson. He could carry a team on his own and win games for his team when others couldn't deliver. Am I looking for that 2nd fiddle guy to go with my number 1 option? Give me Nash, because he knew how to take pressure off of his star man and give him and his other teammates incredibly easy scoring opportunities.
     
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  21. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
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    Arsenal FC
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    England
    Both are up there in the top 50 easily
     
  22. zohee

    zohee Member+

    May 28, 2011
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    Real Madrid
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    Reports that GSW are considering trying Iggy as a sixth man of the bench. Thoughts?

    Personally I think it's a bad idea. They haven't been using him properly IMO, that's why he hasn't been as productive as they had hoped. Oh and I think he's a better defender than Klay.
     
  23. os_mutante

    os_mutante Moderator
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    Aug 8, 2003
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    United States
    He's starting to get on in years and his scoring has really slowed down. And it would be nice to see what the W's have in Barnes finally. It's his third year and he if he's actually worthwhile he should be starting by now.

    So having Iggy come off the bench with Livingston as the second team wing scorers/playmakers with Green and Ezeli as the frontcourt is what Kerr is trying out. Judging from preseason I wouldn't call the experiment a slam dunk success so we'll see if he tries it more in the regular season or keeps Iggy in the starting five.

    He's definitely a better defender than Klay for now. BTW it's going to be a pivotal year for Thompson. His side wants a max deal and the W's don't want to give it to him. I'm thinking he's going to be in audition mode all season.
     
  24. P to the Wee

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    Nov 22, 2011
    Susan is a Little Lamb
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Iguodalas best asset is his defense. You want him out there guarding the best wing players. That can't be done off the bench.
     
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  25. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Iggy needs to start because curry and Lee are awful defenders so he can help and stop 3s dominating too. Curry gets alot of people forgetting his d (pause) and we know Lee is not great. But this side plays good team d and kerr has some new sets so it should be exciting

    Kj MCDANIELS is a guard to watch this year, he's had a couple of 4 block games this pre season

    Hopefully he learns some offensive moves though cus he only has put backs atm lol
     

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