2009/10 New York Red Bulls Offseason Analysis Thread (merged)

Discussion in 'New York Red Bulls' started by Kidtelex, Oct 12, 2009.

  1. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Well, we can't retain all the draft we have, we only have room for three of them, so, is better like that, trade two for a veteran than see them go bye, bye for nothing...
     
  2. Thomas A Fina

    Thomas A Fina Member

    Mar 29, 1999
    Hell
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm guessing with his injury problems he was brought in as a back-up - is he out of contract? his old cap hit was about 175k or so, so either allocation money also changed hands or he is taking less money.

    Or RBNY and Ives have a really strange notion of low risk high reward means.
     
  3. Thomas A Fina

    Thomas A Fina Member

    Mar 29, 1999
    Hell
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That and the possible DP won't be used until after the Euro leagues are over.

    Which means once again we will get a decent American and a DP player halfway through the season.


    Again.


    But go ahead and just keep adding on grist for my hate mill you @&^@(#*&@# asshats.
     
  4. BokenTerp

    BokenTerp New Member

    Oct 17, 2007
    Hoboken, NJ
    They said on the special 3 hour FFF we were trying to sign Jimmy Conrad....whoever that is. Also JPA was on the show. He was excited about the new stadium and to finally have people in here who know what they're doing. Zing!

    Not sure if I agree with him on the second part.
     
  5. jtrex

    jtrex Member

    Jun 22, 2006
    Providence
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LOL, good one.
     
  6. BokenTerp

    BokenTerp New Member

    Oct 17, 2007
    Hoboken, NJ
    I think the Conrad trade will happen and I think VDB will find his way to Harrison as well. They're not going to allow us to just be pathetic in this brand new stadium, despite our best efforts.
     
  7. sickofitall

    sickofitall New Member

    Dec 4, 2009
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    you are just saying that because as a NYRB fan you are preconditioned to think that way. let it go. it's time to be positive without being delusional.
     
  8. foolovsky

    foolovsky Member

    Apr 2, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Conrad trade was just an unfounded rumor.
     
  9. j1mbr0wn

    j1mbr0wn Member

    Jun 3, 2005
    Newark, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, they all have a chance to outplay each other AND some of our veterans. Borman, Sassano, Sinisa, and others will all have to outplay these kids.

    But history proves out that we usually keep only a couple of the draft picks by season's opening.
     
  10. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    I think Sassano and Ubi are in real trouble...maybe Mbuta too as we have a lotta wingers now. Borman can play LB which should keep him around.

    I bet the first 3 from the draft get roster spots, Ream maybe on a dev deal.
     
  11. Blue Note

    Blue Note New Member

    Nov 17, 2003
    Pawling, New York
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IMO Sassano and Ubi are completely expendable. I could see Mendes or Boyens being in trouble as well once we make another signing at the back. Maybe one of them gets dealt in a trade, though I suspect neither has much value.
     
  12. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    That's the kicker. Red Bull will have to find someone a lot better than current roster in order to justify making any trades. We don't have a ton of guys who really are worth much on the open market, at least not trades for real value. So I could some of these just cut outright. Maybe one or two traded.
     
  13. j1mbr0wn

    j1mbr0wn Member

    Jun 3, 2005
    Newark, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: 2009/10 New York Red Bulls Offseason Analysis Thread

    EDIT : Added draft players.

    [​IMG]

    2010 Red Bulls Roster

    Due to the pending labor negotiations it is unknown what, if any, rules are imposed on us that LA can ignore. Also, until futher clarification, we'll play by last years rules.

    Senior Roster Players
    18 of 20
    • Albright, Chris
    • Angel, Juan Pablo
    • Boyens, Andrew
    • Cepero, Danny
    • Coundoul, Bouna
    • Goldthwaite, Kevin
    • Hall, Jeremy
    • Kandji, Macoumba
    • Johnson, Carlos
    • Mendes, Carlos
    • Miller, Roy
    • Oebster, Ernst
    • Petke, Mike
    • Richards, Dane
    • Sassano, Luke
    • Stammler, Seth
    • Ubiparapovic, Sinisa
    • Wolyniec, John
    Developmental Roster
    3 of 4
    • Chirgadze, Giorgi
    • Mbuta, Matthew (Dev Eligable)
    • Borman, Danleigh (Dev Eligable)
    Internationals
    4 of 8
    • Angel, Juan Pablo
    • Johnson, Carlos
    • Miller, Roy
    • Oebster, Ernst
    Designated Players
    1 of 2
    • Angel, Juan Pablo

    All players below this line are currently fighting for three open spots on the roster.
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    Draft Picks
    • Tony Tchani
    • Austin Da Luz
    • Tim Ream
    • Conor Chinn
    • Irving Garcia

      Players Red Bull has Rights to.
    • Traynor, Jack
    • Ogunbiyi, Babajide
     
  14. jtrex

    jtrex Member

    Jun 22, 2006
    Providence
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok... now that the draft is in the bag, time to project:

    -------------Henry/Kanji---------Angel------------
    Da Luz/Oebster---------Tchani-----------------Hall
    ---------------------------Stammler----------------------
    Miller--------Goldy/Ream----Petke/Albright--Johnson
    ----------------------------Condoul--------------------


    Midfield is YOUNG, and all 4 CBs in my mind are just adequate at best. There's still work to do.

    By the way just for kicks I just found a scrap piece of paper in my desk from a while ago with a projected RB lineup like this:

    -------------Rivaldo(haha)----Altidore---------
    DVB------------------Reyna-------------Schoop
    -------------------------Dema--------------------
    Wynne---------Parke----Mendez----Dunnivant
    ------------------------Walrus----------------------
     
  15. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Albright plays as a CB?
     
  16. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    I think we need to find a CB upgrade and get a veteran for midfield (DVB?)


    -------------Kanji---------Angel------------
    DVB-----------Tchani-----------------Hall or Richards
    ------------------Stammler----------------------
    Miller--------Goldy-------NEW CB-------Johnson
    ----------------------------Condoul--------------------

    works for me with Petke as a CB reserve, Da Luz as a midfield spark for offense off the bench...
     
  17. jtrex

    jtrex Member

    Jun 22, 2006
    Providence
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess you're right, I'm not sure. I know he's always been primarily a RB. I guess he's just gonna backup Johnson and considering how many red cards he gets, that's actually quite a need!
     
  18. viper

    viper New Member

    Jun 7, 2000
    Paramus, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One of the quotes I read regarding Miller (when he was signed a few weeks ago) was that he was brought in specifically as a Center Back. Also, this quote from yesterday regarding Albright:

    Also, I'm not going to dream regarding Henry, but I will regarding VDB:

    -------------Kandji/Woly---------Angel------------
    VDB/Da Luz/Oebster---------DP Creative Midfielder/Tchani-----------------Richards/Hall
    ---------------------------Stammler/Sassano/Mendes----------------------
    Borman--------Miller/Goldy/Ream/Petke/Boyens--Johnson/Albright
    ----------------------------Condoul--------------------
     
  19. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    I recall reading this as well, if this is true we have a big opening in the roster, no real left back. At CB we need an upgrade, but at least have passable guys like goldy/petke to hold the fort.
     
  20. Nella FC 85

    Nella FC 85 New Member

    Jul 3, 2009
    Bayamon PR/NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I love imagining future lineups! But what about Backe saying we might play with 3 midfielders?? What would a 4-3-3 look like?

    As for a 4-4-2 I like phillips10 lineup and VDB could mentor Da Luz to 1 day to take over! And Perhaps either Chinn or Garcia can make it and be a Sub for Angel since he isn't as young as he use to be.
     
  21. RerunStubs

    RerunStubs Member

    Dec 8, 2006
    Per a thread on the N&A board, it looks like Michael Orozco is returning to MLS. Although the cited article says he is going to Philly, Philly's trade of its top spot in the allocation order would seemingly make this impossible (unless, despite being a returning member of the national team player pool, Orozco doesn't have to go through the allocation process). RBNY should, one would think, be in position to snatch him up. A left-footed center back is something the Red Bulls could use. I wonder if Backe has seen him play while scouting FMF.
     
  22. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    I'll be interested to see how this one plays out. There's no way Philly should get him for free.
     
  23. j1mbr0wn

    j1mbr0wn Member

    Jun 3, 2005
    Newark, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's simple, really. If Red Bull doesn't want to waste their allocation, the shit flows downhill to next in line. Probably San Jose, unless they did some sort of deal.

    I certainly wouldn't waste our allocation just to try to trade someone to Philly. There are much better players coming back this year.
     
  24. MetroStone

    MetroStone New Member

    Dec 11, 2007
    NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    ------------------Angel
    ---da Luz----------------------Kandji/Richards

    -----------???????------Tchani
    ----------------Stammler

    Miller------Mendes-----Petke-------Johnson

    ----------------Condoul
     
  25. Nella FC 85

    Nella FC 85 New Member

    Jul 3, 2009
    Bayamon PR/NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thats actually a pretty good lineup... I wonder if we'll actually see a 4-3-3 this year? Still need a few more players and I think we'll be set.
     

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