€-Moneyball; High and Low Finance Football

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by Orange14, Feb 27, 2012.

  1. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord



    What an incredible clown this sometimes is. 'Blacklivesmatter' with 'visit Abu Dhabi' on display at the stands... The place where passports are taken off and slaves are held.
    That whole BLM crap has been co-funded by China and the Islamic world to undermine the liberal West. Secretly it gets money from Putin and Russia, in the same way as various right-wing populists are on a Russian cord. BLM is an enemy within that needs to be fought, otherwise current South Africa is the destination. Many of the (free) blacks in 1850 themselves owned slaves, that is a fact. Guardiola is merely saying what his paymasters wants to hear him say, with a malicious agenda underneath.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/white_slaves_01.shtml
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/mar/11/highereducation.books
    https://news.osu.edu/when-europeans...as-much-more-common-than-previously-believed/



    Rhaaaahhhhhrrrrgggg.... :mad:

    Or as an old idealistic advert from 1991 said: a better world begins with your own habitat.
     
  2. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    @PuckVanHeel - Against my better judgement I am leaving this post up but I may change my mind. You are skirting the edge here by citing unproven conspiracy theories about the origin of Black Lives Matter. I do not like your post. I can assure you that #Black Lives Matter is real here in the US and that there is no involvement of Russian, Chinese or Islamic money involved. If there are members of this forum who object to the post PM me and I will take appropriate action.
     
  3. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    #1303 PuckVanHeel, Jun 18, 2020
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2020
    No I don't. I say they are funded and strengthened, which is something else than the origin of the grievances.

    Certainly they're morally supported by these regimes:

    As U.S. Injustices Rage, China’s Condemnation Reeks of Cynicism
    Beijing is no ally to those fighting for justice—it’s simply defending its own injustices.
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/05/us-injustice-protests-china-condemnation-cynical/

    What we see here is the influence of money in football. In theory Man City, the Premier League can just restrict this to what it is: an internal American affair. Same for UEFA (Ceferin) with the Qatar PSG president El-Khelaifi in the executive committee as his ear-whisperer. Normally UEFA forbids political statements; not hard to see who the decision makers are.

    This is the danger and effect of sovereign wealth funds in football: the promotion of hypocritical agendas with the stars (Guardiola) as their mouthpiece. It is Moneyball at the highest levels here.... Soft power politics.
     
  4. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I am not going to engage in a political discussion about US/China relations which have absolutely nothing to do with Black Lives Matter. If you think this is a big deal, that's fine but from my perspective it has the significance of spitting in the ocean.

    You have made your point and let's not have any more politics on this particular thread. If you want to start a separate thread, go ahead but be warned, I don't want mindless conspiracy theories.
     
  5. Corona impact coming hard:
     
  6. https://www.ad.nl/buitenlands-voetb...de~a4a1159b/?referrer=https://www.google.com/
    Biggest transfer spenders of all time:
    Grootste uitgevers
    1. FC Barcelona - 2,42 miljard
    2. Real Madrid - 2,38 miljard
    3. Chelsea - 2,27 miljard
    4. Juventus - 2,21 miljard
    5. Manchester City - 2,11 miljard
    6. Inter - 2,03 miljard
    7. Manchester United - 1,91 miljard
    8. Liverpool - 1,65 miljard
    9. AC Milan - 1,60 miljard
    10. Paris Saint-Germain - 1,59 miljard


    Dutch spenders of all times:
    Big spenders Nederland
    1. Ajax - 471,27 miljoen euro
    2. PSV - 374,87 miljoen euro
    3. Feyenoord - 182,46 miljoen euro
    4. AZ - 117,56 miljoen euro
    5. FC Twente - 82,11 miljoen euro
     
  7. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    This is NY Times columnist, Rory Smith's email today. How to save the Europa League. I was not aware of the Heerenveen story about the old Cup Winners Cup.

    How to Save the Europa League


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    Lucas Ocampos’s late winner for Sevilla was one of several highlights in the Europa League quarterfinals.Pool photo by Friedemann Vogel


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    By Rory Smith


    You could have been enjoying this newsletter yesterday. If you like it, sign up to get it directly, every Friday, at nytimes.com/rory.

    In the end, what killed the Cup Winners’ Cup was that common culprit: just a little too much of a good thing. For three decades, Europe’s three major club competitions dovetailed perfectly. Each had its night: the UEFA Cup on Tuesday, the European Cup on Wednesday, the Cup Winners’ Cup on Thursday.


    And each had its role. The European Cup was the pinnacle, the tournament where the continent’s best came face-to-face. If anything, the UEFA Cup was the greater slog: home to the up-and-comers, the next big things, the proving ground for greatness. The Cup Winners’ Cup, though, was where the fun was.

    What defined the Cup Winners’ Cup, more than anything, was its sheer randomness. Unlike its peers, it was not a reward for consistent excellence over the course of the previous season. It was not populated by Europe’s traditional powers. It did not lend itself to the establishment of dynasties.


    Instead — because you had to win a domestic cup to get in it, and domestic cups have long been little more than an afterthought in most countries — its ranks were swelled, to some extent, by the unexpected or the overachieving or the downright lucky. Its contenders changed almost every year. And because there was only one entrant per nation, and because it was played in a straight knockout format, it was small enough and short enough that quality did not always tell.

    And so it became the competition in which Alex Ferguson and Ronaldo and Marco van Basten forged their early reputations, announcing their talents to the world. But it was also the competition in which Dinamo Tbilisi once faced Carl Zeiss Jena, of East Germany, in a final held in front of fewer than 10,000 people.

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    Ronaldo led Barcelona to the Cup Winners’ Cup title in 1987, his only season at the club.Action Images/Action Images, via Reuters


    It was the competition of Nayim from the halfway line, of Chelsea playing in an actual snowbank north of the Arctic Circle, of Newport County coming within touching distance of a major semifinal, of the greatest moments for K.V. Mechelen and F.C. Magdeburg and Slovan Bratislava, of teams from Hungary and Poland and Austria falling at the last hurdle. It was the competition in which almost anything could happen.

    Eventually, its downfall came from the same source as its glory. Over the course of the 1990s, as the European Cup morphed into the Champions League and the UEFA Cup started to expand, the Cup Winners’ Cup became just a little too random.

    A cursory glance at accounts of its demise suggests that a quite unfair proportion of the blame was laid at the door of S.C. Heerenveen, an otherwise unassuming Dutch club that has essentially been found guilty in absentia of delivering the fatal blow.


    Heerenveen entered the Cup Winners’ Cup in 1998 on the grounds that it had reached the semifinals of the Dutch Cup the year before, and the two finalists, Ajax and PSV Eindhoven, had already qualified for the Champions League.

    The team’s performance was hardly laughable — it reached the second round, and lost narrowly there to the Croatian side Varteks — but its presence seemed to undermine the very point of the competition. A tournament for cup winners is one thing. A tournament for cup semifinalists is quite another.




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    Midweek trips to teams like Shaktar Donetsk, and for them to western Europe, can make the Europa League a season-long slog.Pool photo by Wolfgang Rattay


    As more and more of Europe’s best teams entered the Champions League or the UEFA Cup, it was decided that the field in the Cup Winners’ Cup had become too weak. Too many of its entrants were not just unexpected, they were unworthy. UEFA decreed that it would be discontinued; the 1998-99 tournament would be its last edition, and Lazio would be its final champion.

    Ultimately, the event had lost its meaning. It had become just too random, and European soccer — in the era of the Champions League — has come to loath randomness. What people want, it has convinced itself, is the mundanity of excellence: the very best teams in Europe, no more than a dozen or so of them, facing one another in various combinations every spring, home and away, just to minimize the risk that the best team might not win.


    That is where the glamour is. That is where the appeal is. And that, most crucially, is where the money is. Every development in European soccer over the last 20 years has been made with that single aim in mind: to ensure that the very best teams play each other as often as possible and that they do not have to waste time playing no-marks and minnows.

    Variety has been decreed the enemy, and we have been conditioned to accept that as an incontrovertible truth: that sport is about finding out who is best, rather than just seeing who wins. The fact that this is in the interests of the big clubs, the established powers, is — of course — completely coincidental.


    It was not a surprise, then, that UEFA was clear that this year’s Continental tournaments — designed to ensure that both the Champions League (for men and women) and Europa League can be played to a conclusion despite the pandemic, and planned with military precision — would be one-off affairs.

    No matter how appealing the idea of a condensed, World Cup-style competition might be, European soccer’s governing body did not want anyone to think this was the way forward. Making the quarterfinals and semifinals just one game — rather than two legs — would effectively be sacrificing some of the most valuable television real estate in sport. It would mean clubs would lose two lucrative match days. It was a no go. The Champions League works perfectly fine just as it (normally) is, thank you very much.


    That is broadly true, of the Champions League, at least. But it is not true at all of the Europa League, now teetering on the brink of irrelevance, just as the Cup Winners’ Cup was two decades ago. The value of the Europa League’s television rights pale in comparison to those on offer in the Champions League. Its prestige has waned. It sits as somewhere between a consolation and a burden.

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    This year’s knockout format has raised the stakes of each Europa League game, and is worth preserving if only to make it a more tense, more valuable television event.Pool photo by Friedemann Vogel


    And now UEFA might just have happened upon a way to reinvigorate it. Certainly, watching last week’s quarterfinals — Inter Milan’s breathless 2-1 win against Bayer Leverkusen, Manchester United’s tense and taut progression against Copenhagen, Sevilla’s last-gasp victory against Wolves, and Shakhtar Donestk’s brutal destruction of Basel — it felt as if this format ought to be the future of the Europa League.

    It works because it solves all of the problems that have plagued the tournament for years. By cutting the number of games, it makes the tournament less of a grind. By condensing it into a week or so and holding it on neutral turf, it makes it an event. By staging it at the end of the season, it creates breathing room earlier in the campaign. By giving it an identity beyond its current one as a shadow version of the Champions League, it becomes more marketable as a product and more valuable as television content.


    But it works, too, because it brings a degree of randomness back to European competition. Home and away ties reduce the chance of upsets; they are designed so that quality wins out, and the role of fortune is mitigated. One-and-done matches would do the opposite, ramping up the jeopardy, the tension. It would accentuate the role of luck.

    It would make the Europa League a spectacle in and of itself, something different and bespoke and unique, not just a watered-down version of the Champions League. Most of all, it might make it fun: the one thing that, in European soccer’s tradition, Thursday nights always used to offer.
     
  8. I don't think I posted this earlier. I'm not convinced by the article things are beyond repair. How so?
    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...errer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s
    SportFootballPremier League
    SPECIAL REPORT
    How modern football became broken beyond repair


    The game is going through an unprecedented period of financial and competitive imbalance. Miguel Delaney investigates how we got here and – crucially – whether the dominance of the mega-rich is here to stay

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    Wednesday 12 February 2020 12:54
     

  9. What Football Analytics can Teach Successful Organisations | Rasmus Ankersen
    Why do successful companies so often hesitate to change until it is too late? In this talk Rasmus Ankersen tries to answer this question not by using traditional management thinking, but by using an unconventional idea from football analytics. Rasmus Ankersen is the Chairman of the Danish football club FC Midtjylland, especially recognised for its innovative use of big data to drive decision making. In 2016, FC Midtjylland shocked the football world by beating both Southampton and Manchester United in Europa League
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  10. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
  11. Oh dear, they come up with another bag of hot air.
    Now it's a FIFA thing. Do they really think European countries/EU/UEFA are going to permit a non European entity run a cross border competition, including Brexit clubs at the cost of the national leagues?
    https://www.skysports.com/football/...er-united-in-talks-for-fifa-backed-tournament
    And there's this EU/UEFA partnership as it's described in this memorandum:
    https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/General/02/56/17/27/2561727_DOWNLOAD.pdf
     
  12. marley g

    marley g New Member

    Santos FC
    United States
    Oct 25, 2020
    ea$T$1de k.i.1.1.a.z.
    yes AT European Premier League
     
  13. In this forum we appreciate contributions that gives POV with accompanying reasoning of the why.
    This comment is shit because of contributing nothing.
    Please stay away from this forum if this is all you can come up with!
     
  14. Interesting Dutch court decision in a complaint by a player, Beugelsdijk, about infringement of his portrait rights.
    A supermarket chain issues collectable soccerstickers with players of Eredivisie clubs on them.
    the player put in a complaint as the supermarket chain used that image enlarged in the supermarkets to promote the action and he considered that an infringement of his portrait rights.
    The court decided against him, as he as a contract player in the players collective agreement agreed to the use of the picture and the one used in the shops was the same as on the sticker.
     
  15. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
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    Apr 27, 2007
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    AFC Ajax
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    Netherlands
  16. aveslacker

    aveslacker Member+

    Ajax
    United States
    Apr 2, 2006
    Old Madras
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I could see any of the major sporting leagues running into this kind of problem in the next few years.
     

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