Pelé has been moved to end-of-life palliative care after he stopped responding to chemotherapy. https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/espor...ioterapia-e-esta-em-cuidados-paliativos.shtml
Perhaps we should have a new thread dedicated to him, to celebrate his life and career. Not sure how long he has, and who knows, there could be some unexpected remission, but that would be one in a million. I wonder how the national team takes this news and whether it makes them feel added responsibility.
Casimiro is really killing it with his WC coverage. Getting a lot of views. I wasn't paying attention but I just tuned into his YT channel and he built an impressive team and has gotten a decent number of views breaking all sorts of live broadcast numbers for Twitch and I think for YT too. Luis Felipe Freitas literally quit TNT to join his team because it was his dream to call a Brazil game. I have to say I didn't like him much when I first saw him on De Placa on TNT but after I saw him with Casimiro and Certezas on their little resenhas, I think he is funny as shit. The games I've watched at home were on Brazilian TV, including 2 Brazil games. Tried watching on Globo with Galvão for nostalgia but man ... I couldn't stand it. Had to switch to SporTV.
With Brazil's participation in the 2022 World Cup now over (unfortunately), it's time to look to the future. The management staff will be dissolved. Tite will leave. The players will go home for vacation, although some will be in UEFA league play in a few weeks' time. CBF will need to choose a new coach. After all, if I'm not mistaken, Brazil will play at least one friendly in February, and in late March, 2026 WCQ will begin. This was a painful elimination; Brazil was ahead - and it was the first time a team who was winning in extra time got eliminated. 2026 will be here before we know it.
Reportedly the new coach will be announced in January. Feel free to continue the speculation or add news, when there is some, in the already existing thread: https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/post-tite-era.2121259/ I'll keep this one open to focus on Tite, post-mortems and appreciation posts and start a new one for 2023 once the new appointment is made. I have a lot to say, but don't want to rush it. In short, there is a lot of good to take from this 6-year coaching project. It sucks seeing so many opinion pieces with frankly stupid titles like "6 years wasted" but expected. Of course, the objective wasn't achieved, and we should all spend our time getting through the emotions of another elimination. When I've done that, I'll post something more extensive about the mistakes made and the positives to focus on.
Honestly, I will support the new manager but I am honestly not really optimistic because I don’t think we have a better coach than Tite. Also, I think a new coach will have bigger challenges than Tite had in his 6 year cycle. There is a chance alot of these guys may retire after this and 4 years from now key players will be 4 years older.
I don't mind a manager who isn't as good as Tite. I want a manager who plays to win instead of playing afraid to lose. Still think what did us in today was abysmal coaching from Tite all around. Tite has a great winning record as NT manager but this is now 2 World Cups we've been bounced out of under him. It sucks that he was seen as and is still seen as the best we can find in the Brazilian managers pool but look what that best got us.
In 2018, Brazil lacked key players (injuries, suspension etc.). However, this loss, I felt was a result of poor subs. The game called for more speed. There was no sense in taking speedy players off like Vinicius and Militao. And if Vinicius was taken off, another fast player like Martinelli should have come in his place. Also, I was shocked that so many players went up to attack with only 4 min remaining. What a mistake that was.
Putting this here so I don't forget it. One show has labeled "a era Tite um dos piores desastres do futebol brasileiro". It's this kind of thinking that makes it harder for us to win again. I'm avoiding watching shows for now so I don't get worked up, but I can't avoid all the thumbnails and video titles...
Losses are always spun out of proportion. Overall, I’d say Tite was better than his recent predecessors, but he fell fallen short from the “expectations”. At a bare minimum, I think most were expecting a semis appearance at one of these two Cups, if not a finals appearance.
Ombak and other BS forum active members, thank you so much for all the effort you put in our seleção analyses. It’s hard to find Brazilian fans who really devote time to our NT outside of the 1-month World Cup period, so coming to this forum is one of the few things that help me to ease the pain from such an incredible defeat. I put a lot of my time and savings into this World Cup, I’m staying here in Qatar until the final and it’s difficult to even find the motivation to attend the remaining matches. One ask that I have is for the upcoming post-mortem and debriefs about our seleção is to not only have the tactical analyses, but to also include the mental strenght topic. It is very clear to me that our players have the biggest pression ever seen in the history of football. And I wonder how much mental health support these youngsters like Richarlison, Vini Jr, Paquetá, Antony, Rodrygo will receive during these next 4 years. A loss like yesterday is not something that goes away. It’s a trauma that stays forever and I really think mental strength should be a key priority for 2026. Croatia has shown how important this is. And in a club level, Real Madrid repeatedly shows how strong winning mentality is key.
I have lost interest in football completely since yesterday. I need to focus on basketball, Volleyball or any other damn thing. I will follow soccer again once our NT wins another WC .
Seleção brasileira vai à Copa sem psicólogo de novo, mas saúde mental ganha atenção de atletas https://ge.globo.com/futebol/seleca...s-saude-mental-ganha-atencao-de-atletas.ghtml From back in November. Tite apparently declined mental health professionals to accompany the team smh. Gets worse and worse.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed. I will avoid using the actual names because the portals/individuals, given the language they use, don't deserve to be named. I get that journalism is - like any other field and profession - a human endeavor, and there are biases and views which more often than not seep into what is published. I used to write (and will likely write again) pre-game intros which were sometimes rather lengthy, and I am not going to lie and claim I never put my biases or views into those posts. For example, I labeled the first Germany-Brazil match after 2014 a very serious confrontation - a tone I would never have given a Brazil-Bolivia WCQ match. That said, it's despicable and detestable. "Disrespectful" is too light a word. One former player went on a hot-tempered tirade on live national TV cursing him out, calling him a son of a b/tch. One famous news anchorman got on his knees to thank God that Tite would be leaving. Pundits on a famous and admittedly useful, but unabashedly leftist portal (I know politics and sports shouldn't mix, but these writers are the first to fire the shots on this, attacking players for supporting the "wrong" politicians) mercilessly criticized Tite for bad roster choices and bad tactics. I'm not going to lie - Tite made errors. Richarlison and Vini Jr. were doing well; he didn't need to take them out. Rodrygo should not have been the first on the PK shootout; Neymar should have been. Marquinhos, a zagueiro, should been left for later; zagueiros tend not to kick well, and this is bad for Marquinhos because he otherwise had a good World Cup. Some here can probably help me memory-wise, but a comment I read elsewhere was striking in its critique of Tite's tactics. "During 2018 WCQ, the whole time, it was two volantes (holding/defensive midfielders), Renato Augusto, 2 pontas, 1 atacante. 2022 2022 WCQ was the same, but Lucas Paquetá instead of Renato Augusto. Yet, when the actual World Cup happened, Tite changed the system. Why and what for?" A criticism like this, or a criticism which was published on social media by former NT manager Vanderlei Luxemburgo (who, also very criticized in his tenure as NT manager due to the failure of the 2000 Olympic team, did at the very least lead Brazil to the 1999 Copa América title), in which Luxemburgo was respectful and polite of Tite and who said Brazil should have fouled Modric in that play leading to the Croatian equalizer, is acceptable. But not what I'm seeing on these portals, not the crude and rude language and comments. "Worst NT manager ever" "Good riddance" "We should have fired you after Russia 2018" "You're guilty of nepotism and arrogance" "Brazil wasted 6 years because of you" This is one of the most repulsive and negative aspects about Brazilians when it comes to their imediatismo. "Ganhou? You're the greatest! Second place? You suck and everything you did is trash." It's as if people have no historical memory within which to make contextual comparisons, or if not that, people ignore the other major national teams. In South America, Brazil has reigned supreme in 2018 and 2022 WCQ. We've never lost at home. Argentina, the one team that came close in either 2018 or 2022 in WCQ, ended those campaigns with worse records. They had nothing but turmoil heading into 2018; they're better now, in part because they gave the guy who is their manager now a chance to have continuity. He's already been granted a contract extension. What was Brazil undergoing before Tite arrived? Dunga was hired after Scolari left. I defended Dunga here on BigSoccer, but his second stint was nowhere as good as the first. We were eliminated by Peru in the first round of the Copa América Centenario (albeit with a hand goal) after a lackluster performance in the tournament held in Chile 1 year before; we were eliminated by Paraguay in PKs. While it was the 2016 Olympic title victory which signified (to quote poster @Redshift, who unfortunately doesn't write here as often as I wish he did) "rebirth" following the trauma of 2014, it was only with Tite that Brazil's fortunes in 2018 WCQ began to improve. Brazil's first game under Tite was a 3-0 victory over Ecuador, and that was the first of 9 straight wins - all WCQ but for the January 25, 2017 friendly against Colombia, which was billed the "Jogo da Amizade" as a gesture of good will to pay back the Colombians for their kindness and generosity after the Chapecoense tragedy. One thing that upset me when I read those arrogant critics bash Tite was something to the effect of "Tite's apologists will spit out statistics. Yes - mostly against South American opponents." This was written to imply defeating Colombia, Uruguay, Argentina, or Chile in WCQ means little to nothing. Was it Tite's fault that for some reason, the Federative Republic of Brazil is located in the continent known as South America and that by FIFA laws, the national soccer team of this country is therefore obligated to complete against other South American countries' national teams? And how many matches have these know-it-alls coached against such national teams? If South American teams are so weak, why did the Netherlands fail to defeat Ecuador? Calling Tite the worst manager of Brazil's history is a joke. Tite rebuilt Brazil, and he led Brazil to qualify for 2 World Cups in first place in the confederation within which Brazil plays in by virtue of geography. 6 wasted years? This from the same buffoons who stand by the maxim "soccer is the moment." Tite was handsomely rewarded in terms of money for his work, and he's got enough assets to live the rest of live without working a single minute. He will, according to his own words, go on a six-month sabbatical. If I were him, I'd travel the world, get a lot of massages, enjoy heated swimming pools, drink a few cocktails and beers, and eat some amazing food. But I would never accept another CBF invitation because of the way he was treated (not by CBF, at the very least). He needs to regain his own sanity after the hell he has gone through since yesterday and on every occasion Brazil didn't do what Brazil is somehow "obligated" to do. As someone who remembers the 2000-2002 period vividly, with Brazil risking not reaching Korea/Japan and with one manager being replaced by another; as someone who remembers the lean cow years between Brazil 2014 and Tite's arrival; as someone who remembers the lackluster period between South Africa 2010 and the arrival of Scolari after Mano Menezes was fired (with the 2013 Confeds fueling our hopes for 2014).... Tite's six-year stint was mostly a success. Fans of most other national teams would have loved to have enjoyed the winning percentage Brazil fans have had under Tite. Brazil was envied by fans of other South American national teams. Again, I repeat: Tite made mistakes. But the way he's being treated is unfair; Abel Ferreira's keen and uncanny observations, made in a post-match press conference in January 2021 and after only a few months working and living in Brazil (this was the 2020 Copa Libertadores final), are something Tite would agree with: "... vocês devem valorizar mais aquilo que é vosso. Os portugueses também são um bocadinho assim, só valorizam quando vão embora. O próprio Diniz, vocês têm que ter um bocadinho de paciência. Querem resultado de uma hora para a outra, mas isso não é possível..." I've made it clear on BigSoccer that Abel Ferreira is my personal favorite to take over Tite's now vacant position. But Abel is too clever to fall for that trap - it's not even the substantial financial benefits Palmeiras is showering upon him and the very realistic chance he has of becoming a three-time Libertadores champion with what is an extremely competitive Palmeiras. He doesn't need and surely doesn't want the stress Tite underwent. I wrote this week and I'll write it again: the day will come when many will miss Tite.
Totally agree. I know the loss is still raw and new but some of their post-match IG messages are a bit disturbing. I get why some of the older players like Neymar but these guys are so young and have at least 1 and some 2 more Copas in them each.
Footage emerged today of Neymar yelling at his teammates after Croatia equalized. He was angry, surprised, and frustrated, because they had positioned themselves improperly and allowed Croatia to equalize. Given what was happening, with 5 minutes to go before Brazil won the match, I don't blame Neymar. The argument may be made Tite made poor substitutions, but with a bit more attention, it's extremely feasible Brazil would have held on and won. And that lack of attention by the players is NOT Tite's fault. If we fans were upset about Croatia equalizing, Neymar and Tite were not any less upset.
The only reason I think Tite's reign was a failure is because at the end of the day, we're Brazil and with the talent we've had esp in this Copa, we should have won. Didn't even reach semis with him. I do not however agree with the disrespect Tite has been getting from the national media at all. At the end of the day, this man has a family and this is just a game.
It's fair to evaluate that we failed to reach our objective, and in that strict sense any World Cup Brazil doesn't win is a failure. The frustrating thing is that journalists who write stuff like that are promoting an anti-intellectual strain that promotes further failure. If you throw everything out every time you fail such an unlikely objective (because no matter how good Brazil, or France or any other favorite is, the chance of winning a World Cup is closer to 10% than 50%) you get further and further away from having the tools you need in the future. Of course, they're just sharing their opinion, and they're not the ones who will make the decisions and we won't actually throw everything away, but the level of these headlines is no better than twitter or reddit threads. And there it's ok. Fans should spend some time getting everything out. But from professionals, you want a higher standard. One other example in addition to the one I highlighted and the ones CB mentioned was titled something like "The stupid "rec 5" caused Croatia's goal". It's not even untrue, but with a title like that, I guarantee the person who wrote it could just insert anything in place of "Rec 5" and make the same complaint. If Tite were the most Brazilian manager in the world and played the best Brazilian soccer ever displayed, the title would just be "Stupid nostalgia/old school cause Croatia's goal" and I'd get just as little from reading the piece as it is now.
I don't think the Tite era has been a complete failure and waste of time. He's given us padrão de jogo—and it's a good padrão. If the World Cup were an international league, we would have won it like the CONMEBOL WCQs. The heights have been pure magic. Richarlison's second goal against Serbia, his third against South Korea, and Neymar's against Croatia are among the best I've seen in my lifetime from the Seleção. I can quibble with the convocação. But that will always be the case. The main shortcomings of the 2018 and 2022 teams were a lack of resilience and killer instinct—the will to win anyway, whatever it takes, when something goes wrong and the ruthlessness to finish off opponents when they're down. Yesterday it took 105 mins to break down the Croatian retranca. But they eventually did it with Neymar's goal de placa. Mas daí, em só dez minutos, faltando 5 pra terminar deram a bunda pra Croaçia.
The encouraging thing is that Tite found a lot of good players who are worthy of NT callups. There are people like Arana, who likely would have been in the World Cup if not for injury. Thus, while people like Thiago Silva will be gone and Neymar will be past his prime in 2026, there is still a core of NT-level players who will be the core of our team between the start of 2026 WCQ and the next World Cup. Richarlison, Vini Jr, Pedro - they can still play for several years and they'll be back. Let's hope that this tournament will be the next version of 1990 - the last disappointment before championship glory.
Whom do you guys want to see as WC champs? Make your pick 1. France doing it back to back? OR 2. Argentina winning it ( They will laugh at us from across the border) I am OK with the 1st one ( Will still hurt but manageable I guess )
Tite made weak substitutions, especially taking off Vini Jr and putting Rodrygo (instead of Martinelli) in his position (Rodrygo doesn't play that position). However, Tite also made one sub each in the 3 sub windows. That meant he could not make use of the 5 subs available to him in normal time. Even if he did not want to make 5 subs in normal time, he could have made his 3 subs such that one window was left open for an emergent situation (injury etc.). Along with the lack of planning the penalty shootout, this shows that there were certain gaps in planning from a coaching perspective.
Brazil's 2026 line up prediction from Goal.com https://www.goal.com/en-us/lists/ho...ld-cup/blt2e5adf85991ece7f#cs7f86722aab024b36