We didn’t qualify for the World Cup. And a big reason is that none of these players were good enough to displace bad players who couldn’t qualify. Basically of this age group 93-94 other than Yedlin is a complete waste. Only Trapp seems to have a shot at a dozen caps. The senior team is going to be filled with 95s and later plus Yedlin. As Clint said the 91-92s might be even worse. Bobby wood and .....?
Yep, 2013 cycle was a little subpar. Really only Yedlin and Brooks are true NT quality. However, we didn't develop Brooks and a Yedlin is hard to ruin. Trapp and Morris should be just bench guys. The only saving grace is that it's better than 2011. 2015 in comparison really shows an improvement and is a Sign of Things to Come.
The 2013 group has had 5 guys (Acosta, Brooks, Morris, Stanko, Yedlin) play in qualifiers, which I think is a reasonable measure of whether a guy has moved past the "courtesy cap" stage to the "important to the program" stage. Most of those, save perhaps Stanko, seem pretty likely to get more. And then you might eventually add guys like Trapp and Zimmerman. Five (or more) actually is not a bad number historically speaking. It's just one less than as 2011 (which also claims Brooks, playing up), and more than 2009 or 2007. The 2005 group did particularly well. The 2015 group will probably also probably do better. * I only track guys who DIDN'T get U20 callups if they make World Cup rosters. If anyone wants to add more data (like, say, non-U20 qualifiers, U23 caps, MNT caps) to my sheets, let me know...
Depends on which 5. These 5 isn't any kind of success. You can't be serious comparing those 5 guys to 2007 team. Altidore, Bradley, Adu, Dax, Rogers, Zizzo, Beltran, Wallace, Szetela all have MNT caps.
Obviously there are a lot of different ways to define success, and I'm using a semi-arbitrary measure mainly because it's semi-objective. (That doesn't mean it's the right or best one, or that I'm arguing that the 2013 team was some kind of cradle of legends.) And obviously there's a good reason not to use "caps" as the measure of a good U20 group. Though, by that measure, 2015 may end up winning that prize. They already have 12. EPB seems like a lock. And then you have Shaq, Harkes, and a passel of still-young dudes who aren't completely reaches. (And Zelalem!) Plus, they don't even get credit for Julian Green, who never played for the U20s.
Instead of capped players, why not total caps? Isn't it better to produce one 100 cap player every two years than three 5 capped players? Especially with January camps handing out a cap here and there to guys who are not even really fringe players.
Of course that's "better" than caps alone. I just use appearances in qualifying as a different shorthand for "important player" because 1) it's easier to track 2) it's reasonably useful and 3) I'm not paid for this. Someone has probably done this, but I'd love to see a study of how many caps a typical capped player gets, and what the curve looks like. If you'd like to contribute to this research, I will gladly work with you to help you make that happen!
i wasn't trying to criticize, just was curious as to which people thought better in theory. Even if one is better, it doesn't make the other not valuable or a good thing to track in lieu of the harder item.
I know. I just like trying to guilt-trip people into doing work I'm too lazy to do. It's called management.
I don’t count the underage players. They didn’t help the U20 team very much back then because of their age and they aren’t of the same birth year. That’s just me
Timmy Mueller appears to have resurfaced in Switzerland. https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/timmy-mueller-in-switzerland.2083094/
Former FCD homegrown on the move. Provisionally cap-tied to Mexico, but still eligible for a one-time switch. 995106571184230404 is not a valid tweet id Also, a story on '93 Sean Davis. For @TheAthleticNYC: A feature on Sean Davis, his decision to spurn European opportunities to stay with the New York Red Bulls, and the aspirations he has to break into the U.S. Men's National Team picture:https://t.co/xSdaRx6K9y#RBNY #MLS #USMNT— Franco Panizo (@FrancoPanizo) May 11, 2018
At this point, I'm not sure our players who are already established pros turning down Europe, even if its not a top league, is a good thing.
I think having the option is a good thing. Indeed, I think having MLS offer enough money where you have to think twice is a very good thing.
I think it was 2 BL level. Not sure it’s a great move when you’re already in the middle of your career