YNT-eligible lower-division pro players: 2019 In-season thread

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Luksarus, Mar 9, 2019.

  1. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    They'll figure it out. But there are only so many first team contracts they can give out. Their developmental roster slots are full. Although does one open up with Sealy on loan at NTX? I don't know.

    Sometimes I'm also a little skeptical about these goalscorers at FCD. There have been some prolific academy goalscorers at FCD that have flopped at even an NCAA level. Sometimes you wonder whether the FCD youth teams are so much better than the academy regular season competition, that these kids just rack up goals against garbage teams. Tosh Yasuda, Gio Montesdeoca, etc.

    Its up to the staff to look beyond goal stats and say "is this kid really an MLS caliber player?"

    The next guy up in that particular queue is Brayan Padilla. As prolific as it gets in the academy. I don't really know the particulars of why he wasn't signed to a homegrown deal. But he went to Maryland, and has kind of fallen off the map. Got an ankle injury that cost him much of the season, and when he returned Maryland had forged an identity without him (they won the national title, right?) So gotta see him this season.

    Johan Gomez has committed to Portland. Portland!

    Something has to get done there. Somebody asked me the other day if a player is going to Bayern this year if Roberts isn't (and Roberts seems needed by the first team). The timing doesn't work for youngsters like Redzic and Tessman. It works for Gomez, whose 18th birthday is in July. That could be part of the carrot to get him to sign a deal.
     
  2. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I've always been a little skeptical of his goalscoring numbers. I didn't think they matched his play, but I have liked his play better this season. I don't know if he's as good as his goal scoring numbers, but I think he's a real first team prospect.

    Are there rules that stipulate a team can only sign a certain number of academy players? What if Dallas wanted to sign Johan Gomez to a league minimum contract that wasn't a homegrown deal? Could they do that?
     
  3. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
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  4. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/league/official-rules/mls-roster-rules-and-regulations

    From what I gather, they can sign as many homegrown players as they want (up to the 30 roster spots allowed), but only the first 10 are salary exempt. All that means is that if they go over 10, one of the guys has to be moved onto the “senior” spots, which means he counts against the cap.

    I don’t think they’ll have much of an issue with doing that, but it does limit them from signing literally every academy player. There’s other things that dissuade them from doing that before adding 70k to their cap, though. To me, it seems like the aversion from Dallas then comes from paying a guy the reserve minimum of 56k before loaning him to NTXSC.

    It’s kinda both sad and cute at the same time how frugal MLS is with money compared to other American sports. I wonder how far we are from MLS paying Americans more than colleges pay basketball and football players. Sadly, we’ll never know.
     
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  5. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Carroll brothers? With the mom posting here.
     
  6. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Youtube: Jimmy Dore, Secular Talk
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's also very worth noting that he leads USL in assists. And we know he's a strong ball winner. He's taken a circuitous path. Hopefully he finally gets a chance. But he wound up on one of the worst teams to be integrated from. I don't even know why PDX, of all clubs, acquired him.
     
  7. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
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  8. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    USYNTer.....................most recently with the U15s I believe.
     
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  9. Runhard

    Runhard Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Jul 5, 2018
    Those kids are smart and have options so passing on a USL deal makes sense for them. They will get plenty of time in the USL without having to sign. There is only two brothers, the other Gomez you mention is not their brother.
     
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  10. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Thanks for correcting me. He looks very similar to them, so I figured he must've been related.
     
  11. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Yeah, I think that in 2019...........................its a little odd to sign a USL deal. Sign a Chris Richards-style MLS deal, or wait. We can think of this from points of view all along the talent map. Why forgo NCAA eligibility for a USL deal on the low end? Why forgo Euro/Mexico opportunities for a USL deal on the high end? Particularly if you're going to play in USL games anyway. Johan Gomez is playing in USL games right now, why sign a USL deal?

    Maybe in 2025 I'll think completely differently about that as the developmental pathway thru the USL is really established.

    If I'm emperor of MLS right now and wanting my league to become a "selling league," I would allow clubs to sign an infinite number of homegrown kids to MLS deals.
     
  12. Runhard

    Runhard Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Jul 5, 2018
    I tend to agree with you but it is as case by case basis based upon the player. If a kid knows he will probably never go to college, then go ahead and sign the USL deal and get the 24K a year now and work like hell to make your way up the ladder.

    If you think college is good thing in your future, it may take a little more nuanced approach to playing USL games without signing, maybe some college and trying to get the MLS HG deal or going overseas at 18.
     
  13. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Memphis is racking up YNT-eligible MLSers on loan: Dally, Lindley, now Kunga.

    For Atlanta's part, if you are sending out guys like Kunga on loan to other USL teams because it's a more interesting challenge than playing for ATL2, I think it's a sign that ATL2 is overdue for a drop to USL League One.

    Orlando has loaned out Lindley and Stajduhar because they are probably past OCB's level, but aren't in the first team plans. (What's going on with Pierre da Silva these days, anyway?)

    Seattle should drop Tacoma to D3 too, if USL can populate the western half of the country with a few more teams.
     
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  14. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Kunga barely plays. I think that’s why he was loaned out.

    da Silva was loaned to a team in Brazil. He’s playing for the reserves of Athletico Paranaense.
     
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  15. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow, I totally missed that. Thanks.
     
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  16. Peter Bonetti

    Peter Bonetti Member+

    Jan 1, 2005
    1970 WC Quarterfinal
    Because DC United was too stupid to keep him for a year until they began Loudoun United.

    Why have an academy or a second team in USL if you are going to deal off an under 20 national team player without even attempting to develop him as a pro before you trade him?

    My guess is that DC didn’t rate him, but why not make an attempt to develop him as a pro before you unload him. He obviously has some ability.

    Both franchises do some things very well, but some things are hard to watch.
     
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  17. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
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  18. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Oh. I see...……………
     
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  20. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
  21. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Thats a "we don't respect the opponent" type of lineup. It's almost completely attacking players across the midfield.

    It seems like these "II" teams have reached a point where they are too good for USL League One and not good enough for USL when fielding nearly full academy teams. The best academies playing in USL League One and lesser academies in USL might exasperate the point, but I think there have been very few clubs who are getting their players proper development. How much better is USL League One than games against some of the better U-19 DA teams?
     
  22. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It might be easy enough to win, but the Dallas guys have to at least use their technical skills to win the whole time. You might not necessarily say that at the U19 level, where they won't be disadvantaged athletically. It's better that USL league two, and that was where a lot of top college guys would spend their summers, so League One can't be that bad.

    The league will grow fairly quickly. These teams are only on their first iteration of players. Even if the salaries don't go up, which is highly unlikely, the teams will find better players willing to be paid the same. That, and there'll be way more teams.
     
  23. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we need to give USL League One a season or two before making hard conclusions about the level of play.

    First, North Texas SC has the advantage of having a group of players who have been together in the same system for a long time. There's a familiarity advantage that will be less relevant in seasons to come, when indy clubs are able to bring back much of their core from the previous year.

    Second, if you look through a lot of indy rosters, there are a lot of guys who probably wouldn't be in pro soccer if not for the existence of this league. In the first few years, the lesser talents in this group will be weeded out and it's not crazy to expect the overall talent level to increase a tick or two.


    I'd be more concerned if North Texas SC were dunking on everybody. They have a 12-5 goals record in six games which is quite good, but not "the competition is a joke for us" good.
     
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  24. ShaftBrewer

    ShaftBrewer Member+

    Jul 18, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Patrick Bohui played 20 minutes for Bethlehem today. I've got to say, every time that he plays, he just can't find the game. I've seen him have like 10 touches total in all 85 minutes he's played. I'm wondering if it may be too early for him. I'm sure Philly has a plan for him and must rate him highly because he is a December '03.
     

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