That 3.5 to 5m is probably the cost of running all the fields and the staff for all the kids across the whole umbrella of "development" not just the academy. The thing is that Union has created one of the most advanced pay to play setups that takes care of a lot of the fixed costs of the advanced infrastructure. They have summer schools, a boarding school, non-academy teams and tournaments. That brings in a fair amount of revenue but also has the dual purpose of bringing a fair share of raw material for the academy itself so it saves on scouting also. So anyhow the actual academy costs are probably way under 1m when everything is said and done.
The soccer schools, camps, do not count toward that academy spend from what I have heard. That's a separate business, outsourced to a summer camp company to boot. The academy field and such is part of a separate business owned by Ritchie Graham. That amount was the Unions stated budget for the academy. We also have estimates that it costs about $5k or so per player per year at an elite US club. I just find the idea that $1.6 million would fund the club for years crazy. It has to be more expensive than that when you're talking about developing pros. Keeping that aside, I still feel the argument for ending academies because the return on holding a winning lottery ticket are low is a cop out. The other thing here is that the cost of operating an academy of the standard required is high and top players will leave if the rating drops. I think, at a smaller club, that's the bigger issue. It doesn't do the development system much good if the standard for rating academies are rigorous but the cost of moving between clubs is excessive in the event a club fails to meet the standard.
I missed this one. The issue for the clubs is not training compensation! Its solidarity. The TC payments are a much more obvious restraint of trade and could be insanely expensive too.
5k per player seems about right. Maybe even a little high. To reach 5m a year means a thousand players training for free. Doesn't that seem excessive? Most likely over a hundred.
There are different categories of academies, from full-time Level 1 academies, with their own facilities, accommodation and full-time staff, to level 4 part-time academies who rent facilities by the hour and use part-time staff on evenings and weekends. And yes, it was a lottery, but so is anything to do with soccer, especially outside the USA.
In what I quoted, that's how the comment read. I've not dropped a line, but have been following the thread.
So you agree the current lawsuit has no merit then. Those players paid to play, so there is no claim for training compensation. I was being snarky.
It doesn't seem that the lawsuit is actually about those players. The clubs say that they were named because that's what the lawsuit required. I have no idea about the validity of that but I have heard nothing disclaiming this.
There's travel, coaching and I think part of the educaton cost built into that as well. Facilities too but that's does count u12 to u18 and $5m is the upper estimate too.
So the reality is that they were closing to avoid spending on the higher costs and would have done so eventually anyway. The inability to collect a large fee is really just an excuse.
Speaking of money leaving player's/teams' pockets... https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/09/mino-raiola-agent-manchester-united
How much did Pogba and his agent earn for themselves though off the transfer fee? I know they were looking for a nice cut on top of what Man U was going to pay...
Not sure what Pogba's cut was, but Raiola had a clause written into Pogba's Juve contract that any team that purchased Pogba would have to pay Raiola 20% of the transfer fee, on top of the transfer fee. So if the Fee was $100M, Raiola would get $20M making the total purchase price $120M. I forget where I heard this, it was from Gab Marcotti either on ESPN FC or The Football Show on SiriusXM FC.
http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the9...-openly-advocating-for-training-compensation/ As an entity, MLS HQ has backed off MLSPU’s more fiery rhetoric, preferring instead to couch all statements in terms of brokering a deal of some sort. It’s never been clear what that meant, exactly. No deal or terms of a deal between clubs like Crossfire (DeAndre Yedlin), Dallas Texans (Clint Dempsey) and Weston FC (Alejandro Bedoya) have ever been made public.
The youth clubs aren't going after training compensation, are they? They are going after the solidarity fees.. I can't help but think that Parchman is intentionally conflating the two different issues.
It's hard to keep track, but the clubs would like both if they could. However, the most recent lawsuit was just about SP.
This article, to me, is someone taking things that someone said and making it fit the position they support. What Garber said is so vague you'd have to have a position in order to make his words mean anything. Hell, I could write an article that says that MLS is considering scrapping the academy system based off of Garber's quote.
Here's the thing, MLS is not blocking a system of payments. The PU is the last obstacle. Since the fees are understood to be forbidden under Fraser, MLS cannot collect solidarity nor can it receive training compensation either. Given the rational for Fifa adding these and the propensity for clubs in Mexico and Europe to poach players that an MLS team actually invested in developing, the league has good reason to be on the side of a compensation system. Given the fact MLS teams actually have a path to pro, which none of the clubs suing can claim, MLS can make an extremely strong case for getting compensation even if the youth clubs cannot. The same would be true for USL and NASL teams who establish academies. Now the really weird thing to me is how would the NCAA view a contract that does not pay a player while he's in an academy, but binds his movement outside that pro club to a system of paid compensation should he sign a pro contract elsewhere? Maybe that isn't much different than being drafted into MLB or the NHL and playing another college season, though those instances involve involuntary rights not a signed deal. Some may dismiss that, but the reality is most academy players will not become pros. College is still a path for kids.