Yanks Abroad Flavors of the Week 2017-18 [all R's]

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  1. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well then, that's an important thing
     
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  2. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Damn talk about a sink or swim moment. He's gonna get his first start against the best team in the league. He'll be plenty busy. Hope he shows well.
     
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  3. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jordy Siebatcheu scored a goal, and drew a penalty kick for another Reims player to convert, as Reims pulverized Memo Ochoa's old club Ajaccio to the tune of 5-0. Reims have now moved atop Ligue 2. Among all Ligue 2 players, Jordy is tied for second in goals with four (leader has six), and tied for second in assists with four (leader has five).
     
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  4. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My mistake -- this was Jordy's fifth Ligue 2 goal of the year, putting him alone in second place. 5 goals and 4 assists through 8 league matches.
     
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  5. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty self serving considering not very long ago they deemed he wasn't good enough to even be a sub for them. That ABMOD sure knows talent.
     
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  6. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    SI not predicting Wood or Pulisic in starting lineups tomorrow
    https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/09/1...w-classic-encounter-key-battle-team-news-more


    Bobby Wood and Aaron Hunt have returned to training for Hamburg and although their inclusion in the squad is likely, a spot in the starting lineup could still be too soon.

    Potential Hamburger SV Lineup: Pollersbeck, Diekmeier, Jung, Papadopoulos, Santos, Ekdal, Walace, Hahn, Salihovic, Holtby, Waldschmidt.
    Potential Borussia Dortmund Lineup: Bürki, Piszczek, Sokratis, Toprak, Zagadou, Sahin, Dahoud, Castro, Yarmolenko, Philipp, Aubameyang
     
  7. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Expected, but now official!!!

    Werder sign talented young striker Joshua Sargent
    https://www.werder.de/en/news/news/u23/20172018/news/sargent-signs-21092017/

    “We have been keeping tabs on Joshua for a long time and so it isn’t a great surprise to us that his brilliant performances have attracted attention on an international scale. Therefore we are extremely happy that despite the numerous offers from other top clubs in Europe, he was convinced by our philosophy at SV Werder and that we can now oversee his development as a player and support him along the way. He has a great understanding of the game and he is one of the most promising talents of his age in the world,” explained Tim Steidten, the head of squad planning and scouting at Werder Bremen.

    From the 10th October, Joshua Sargent will take part in the U17 World Cup with the American national side in India. The striker will then start in the new year in Bremen. “Josh will have time to adapt to the club and the city and at the start, he will train with the U23s. Then from next summer, he will become a proper part of the squad,” Steidten clarified.
     
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  8. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So how does Bremen's training stack up against Dortmund, Schalke and other really good academies?
     
  9. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #184 Clint Eastwood, Sep 20, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2017
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......................middle of the pack I'd say.
    Dortmund, Mainz, Gladbach, Cologne, Schalke, Bayern are the ones I'd put in the top half.

    There are so many good academies that folks can argue endlessly about how to rank them. Middle-of-the-pack in Germany is still pretty darn good.

    Schalke's list is pretty impressive recently. Off the top of my head..............Manuel Neuer, Mesut Özil, Julian Draxler, Benedikt Höwedes, Leroy Sane, Max Meyer, Joel Matip, Ralf Fahrmann, etc. etc.

    Edit: Oh.................I forgot about Freiburg. I remember reading somewhere that Freiburg has the highest percentage of minutes given to their own academy products in the Bundesliga. They may not be the "stars" produced at Bayern or Schalke, but they have a big emphasis on providing opportunities to their own academy players.

    Let me think of some Bremen academy products for us. Is Max Kruse their best active academy product? Maybe.......................

    When you look at youth careers of players in Germany, they do tend to move around a lot. There are so many good academies that kids move quite frequently.
     
  10. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We could ask Isaiah Young. He signed in January of this year and is playing with their II team in the Bundesliga 3.
     
  11. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    Turns out they were wrong on both ends.
     
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  12. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jordy Siebatcheu scores the game-winner for Reims. First place in Ligue 2, clear of second-place Lorient by four points. Jordy is tied for the league lead with six goals, and has four assists as well.
     
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  13. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unfortunately he's repped Frances u21. He'd need to file a switch. Unlikely he does that anytime soon.
     
  14. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
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  15. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's gonna be hard enough for Jordy to ever come close to being cap-tied by the France senior team. He'd likely have to play for a Real, Atletico, Arsenal, Bayern, PSG, Man United-type club for that to happen. (Specific clubs that France international strikers currently play for.) Even for the U21 team, he appears to be about fifth-string behind strikers at RB Leipzig, Inter, Bournemouth, and Celtic. It's highly unlikely he'll ever be cap-tied at senior level with France, but it's also possible he never even gets provisionally tied at youth level. Nothing against him, just that France is so stacked.
     
  16. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Jonathan Gonzalez's stream of starts for Monterrey is on temporary hiatus due to the earthquake in Mexico City, as all league matches this weekend in Mexico have been postponed.

    Weston McKennie starts for a second straight match for Schalke.
     
  17. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Weston has broken through. It starts.
     
  18. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    But we need to focus on experience for the national team! Keep MB in there for 90 minutes every game passing backwards or to the other team. Weston is too young. Let him settle in!

    Sarcasm aside, pretty exciting stuff for him. I'd have him starting immediately for usmnt, but at the very least he's not far away and should be on the field in Russia, should we make it.
     
  19. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a tough call. Get firmly established and club, or help immediately at country. Bruce should only call him if he is going to get significant playing time. Calling him to sit on the bench would be looney. Either play him or let him establish his club spot
     
  20. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    Start him. Don't care he's 19. Two straight Bundesliga starts and overall decent minutes/trust of the manager/club. He's better than what we have. I know it upsets the "experience matters" crowd, but we've seen what that has done during the hex and it doesn't work. It won a B squad gold cup when mckennie should have been integrated into the team. Yay I guess?

    Now saying that, it's obviously not going to happen.
     
  21. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lynden Gooch just levelled for Sunderland against Cardiff
     
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  22. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Its not an either or. These are FIFA dates. Call Weston in and see how he gels with the team in training. Enough of the 'have to have experience" crap. It a player is ready and the best player then put them out there. And sometimes being young is a benefit. They don't even understand pressure. They just go play the GAME.
     
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  23. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Did McKennie actually excel in the match? I see a WS of 5.9 and a sub-out in the 73rd minute.

    Can't compare that to the Pulisic situation

    We've plenty of players who can have mediocre matches in the B1.
    .
     
  24. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #199 thedukeofsoccer, Sep 23, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2017
    He's probably not ready to handle the pressure, nor help the team even if he is. Right now he's just in the stage of getting a few opportunities. What matters is how you fare in them. He's not performed as an average Schalke or Bundesliga player would. I don't even know that he's played at a current Alfie Morales-level. Might as well call him up then. As more than a bonus, he wouldn't have the pressure of it being his debut, added on to that of possibly getting a country who is accustomed to always making the WC get dq'ed from it. People are grafting McKennie's club name and potential future onto the current player that he is. He's a good PROSPECT. That is all.

    This is a false equivalency to the Pulisic situation. BVB is one level up as a club from Schalke. BVB was a league contender at the time still while Schalke fell on hard times to mid-table last season. Pulisic looked like he belonged at BVB while McKennie just hasn't looked totally out of his depth at Schalke. Pulisic had a significant sample of appearances while McKennie hasn't. Pulisic was an attacker while McKennie is a d-mid. Pulisic also debuted against minnows, rather than respectable opposition. He warranted his inclusion in spite of inexperience, McKennie has not. This is more equivalent to Gooch or even J. Green when he was just associated w/ Bayern, played well in some preseason matches, and appeared in the CL. People turning around to use experience as a pejorative are projecting extremism like that means those espousing its importance means we also advocate the usage of Beasley, Jones, and Zusi.
     
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  25. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The thing that worries me with McKennie is I believe Schalke has lost all the games he played in, and he's normally the first one subbed off...which makes sense since he's the youngin' out there, but the youngin' is typically the first one to be dropped in favor of a new direction. I would seriously wager his place with Schalke is anything but secure.
     
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