Would Argentina have won the 1986 World Cup if Pele in place of Maradona?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Jaweirdo, Aug 27, 2013.

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Does Argentina win the 86' world cup win with a prime Pele in place of Maradona?

Poll closed Aug 27, 2014.
  1. yes

    18 vote(s)
    46.2%
  2. no

    21 vote(s)
    53.8%
  1. Rana catesbeiana

    Mar 11, 2008
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    100% agreed.
     
  2. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Pele is one of the few players that is actually better than Maradona, so of course he would!
     
  3. Jaweirdo

    Jaweirdo Member+

    Aug 19, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    who are the others?
     
  4. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    it seems at times that Pele's curse was to have played with other greats;)
     
  5. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Garrincha and Alfredo Di Stefano
     
  6. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
    The question is a hypothetical and it will never be answered because we don't know. Was the point of this thread to get more people in the Maraodna Pele debate?
     
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  7. Jaweirdo

    Jaweirdo Member+

    Aug 19, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    What was the point of your post?
     
  8. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
    That this is just more stupid baiting for a Maradona-Pele debate which has been on this forum in a million other threads in different formations. It's still the same shit.
     
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  9. Jaweirdo

    Jaweirdo Member+

    Aug 19, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Stop the presses! The Pele- Maradona debate has ended because Dr. Know says so
     
  10. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    It would help if you yourself had contributed more to the topic, instead of just asking the question and running away.
     
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  11. Jaweirdo

    Jaweirdo Member+

    Aug 19, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    But I'm American, we let the immigrants do all the work. :p

    J/K you're right, I got busy with work. I would have respected criticism from someone who has merit. Since I'm 100% sure ive seen Dr. Know in the same types of debates involving Messi, good case of pot calling the kettle black.
     
  12. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
    Not the point but you obviously missed that by a million miles.
     
  13. Dr. Know

    Dr. Know Member+

    Dec 5, 2005
    Macondo
    Cool story bro. I'm completely involved in this debate that hasn't been discussed a trillion times already. I mean a thread regarding Maradona and Pele? I've never seen it before.
     
  14. Jaweirdo

    Jaweirdo Member+

    Aug 19, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Screen shot 2013-09-04 at 11.07.00 AM.png
     
  15. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Don't look now, but I bet your boss is an immigrant. :D
     
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  16. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    I would rephrase that Pele was often more "effective" more "decisive" and a bit more "complete" than Maradona. It was not clear that Pele was better talent per se

    I live in the US. That quote costed them dearly ... and that was how they got into a big dip economically
    For example, Apple is also sinking to the rise of Samsung ... I hate it but the American GOTTA DO THE WORK

    Today is not the 60's when only American (and very few) could go to the moon, and could make a giant carrier to boss the 4 Oceans
     
  17. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Maradona was the greater individual player.
     
  18. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Maradona from the 2nd half of that tournament is comparable to Pele in the role they played.
     
  19. Jaweirdo

    Jaweirdo Member+

    Aug 19, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    That was meant as an inside joke to Pipiolo. I myself am an immigrant, I wouldn't ever disrespect them. I don't really have a boss
     
  20. Jaweirdo

    Jaweirdo Member+

    Aug 19, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    In what sense? Leadership? Individualism? Or just their positioning on the field?
     
  21. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    The three factors you mentioned, imho :)
     
  22. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The opposite question could be asked as well. Would Maradona have been able to adjust and blend in playing on a team full of stars and personalities and help the team win the cup while relinquishing his role as the main protagonist, like for example Pele in 70?
     
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  23. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    I think they both will cope beautifully ... in either case ... Pele in WC86 and Maradona in WC70.

    Why:?
    1- Their talent are real
    2- Their stats and performance over career back them up high
    3- They seemed always lead the team playing into their advantage to win ...
     
  24. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    If Pele in any period at the 1960s sit time machine to replace Maradona in the 1986 World Cup tournament, that means he would have no time to adjust modern style of football play and difficult to perform superbly.
     
  25. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    That's not the way we fantasize them carry over time.
    1- For players in older era, we have to imagine and simulate them with all means that modern players got - that's a PLUS for them
    2- For modern player in newer era, we have to strip off all advantages they got now - became a MINUS for them

    Like I gave an example before,
    for 1: bring on some people in rural area of Africa who can walk and run 30 miles aday to the city, yeah it may take them a few months to ADAPT and LEARN how to drive car
    For 2, bring the people form the city of Los Angeles to the rural of Africa, it may take them YEARS and YEARS to make them able to run walk like local people, or may be NOT?
     

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