World Cup Expansion to 48 Teams (Update: FIFA Council Agrees 2026 Slot Allocation)

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  1. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The opener and Final are in the USA (the narrative is that there will be "3 opening games is BS IMO, the USA will be the top seed, this is a USA+ friends World cup, so it is only logical that the USA would get the most benefits of being the host.
     
  2. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not if we go to 3 "final groups" where only the top 2 qualify, shit if Concacaf gets 6 spots, you can make it 4 groups of 4/6 with only 1st place qualifying directly and the four 2nd places playing each other for the other 2 spots.

    They will be very weak groups for sure.

    Say

    Costa Rica
    Jamaica
    Nicaragua
    Puerto Rico (are they FIFA eligible?)
    Martinique
    Cayman Islands.
     
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  3. Footsatt

    Footsatt Member+

    Apr 8, 2008
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The groups will be week... but in this scenario CR should finish first. It will be a battle for second. More meaningful games for the mid tier could push Concacaf to be a stronger region. I think the Nations League will help too.
     
  4. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now if Conmebol gets 6 or 7 spots, they WTF, qualifying will be a joke towards the end.
     
  5. Footsatt

    Footsatt Member+

    Apr 8, 2008
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  6. Footsatt

    Footsatt Member+

    Apr 8, 2008
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Although looking at last years conmebol qualifying 5 points separated 2nd and 6th. While 2 points separated 3rd and 6th. So it could still be competitive at the end for most of the teams.
     
  7. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    The qualifying games will still lose meaning for teams like USA and Mexico because there is no realistic way they would not finish top 2 in such weak qualifying groups.

    I think 3 HEXs would be a bit much. Two HEXs would seem to be the way to go starting in 2030. Top 3 qualify and 4th place teams play-off for the inter-confederational playoff spot. Although they would lose the USA-Mexico clashes. (For 2026 they can keep the current format since there will still be just 3 teams qualifying (by merit) plus 2 playoff teams).
     
  8. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The recommendation posted above says 6 for Concacaf, so 3 groups of 4 (12 teams) wold be better than 2 groups of 6 (12 teams) since it would cut back on meaningless games at the end.

    But Concacaf also wants more teams to play more games, that is why I think they may do 3 groups of 6.

    Will there still be intercontinental playoffs? I was under the impression that they were going away.



    Edit: finishing top 2 in a group of 4 is more complicated than finishing top 3 in a group of 6, less games means less of an opportunity to recover from an unexpected bad start.

    So if the goal is to create more drama for Mex, USA, CR then 3 groups of 4 would probably help.
     
  9. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    fvck, just when you think it can not get any dumber, then they have this.

    *Play-off tournament for two remaining slots
    *
    The above allocation accounts for 46 of the 48 participating teams. The proposal reviewed by the Bureau of the Council includes a play-off tournament involving six teams to decide the last two FIFA World Cup berths:

    - One team per confederation with the exception of UEFA + one additional team from the confederation of the host country;

    - Two teams to be seeded based on the FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking. The seeded teams will play for a FIFA World Cup berth against the winners of the first two knockout games involving the four unseeded teams;

    - Tournament to be played in the host country(ies) and to be used as a test event for the FIFA World Cup;

    - Existing play-off window of November 2025 suggested as tentative date for the 2026 edition.


    [​IMG]
     
  10. Footsatt

    Footsatt Member+

    Apr 8, 2008
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep... it looks like Conmebol could have 7 if/when they win the playoff. CONCACAF could have 2 teams in this playoff in 2026. This 6 team playoff is going to be a bunch of really weak teams.
     
  11. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yup, except for the CONMEBOL representative. Which is why this proposed allocation basically means we would have 7 CONMEBOL teams in the final tournament.
     
  12. Footsatt

    Footsatt Member+

    Apr 8, 2008
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well the US did finish 5th in this hex behind Panama and Honduras as well as Costa Rica. The US should finish first or second in theory anyway.
     
  13. Footsatt

    Footsatt Member+

    Apr 8, 2008
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3663 Footsatt, Jul 6, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2018
    It was also announced a while back that the Concacaf president wants to restructure qualifying so the teams at the bottom get more games every cycle. I think the change could come for the 2026 cycle just so these weak teams can play more meaningful games.
     
  14. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    I agree with that, but "more" should be no more than 12 teams playing in the final round. After that the countries are ridiculously tiny in CONCACAF.
     
  15. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Question: Regardless of the allocation that is determined by FIFA, do each confederation organise their own qualifications without any involvement from FIFA, or do they have a say or at least recommendations regarding the way the teams classify?
     
  16. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    The confederations propose the format of their continents' WC preliminary competitions which are then subject to approval by the FIFA NT Competitions' Committee because the WC is a FIFA competition.
     
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  17. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    The proposal has a six nation playoff tournament to decide the last two spots. They will probably play this in the host nation just before the draw and get rid of the confederations cup. The format is one nation from each confederation (but not UEFA) plus one extra nation from the host confederation. The format is that the bottom four ranked nations will play one knockout round, with the winners playing one of the two top ranked nations for a spot (4 matches in total).
     
  18. ACooper

    ACooper Member

    May 20, 2009
    Queens, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps in 12 years, the level of play in this region will improve to the point where qualifying will still be a challenge for the USA and Mexico. As far as the rivalry between the top teams in CONCACAF, the Nations League should offer meaningful games in that regard.
     
  19. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Obviously qualifying will be changed but I was curious as to who else would be in this World Cup. Based on their place in whatever the last qualifying structure was and goal differential.

    AFC would add Syria, Uzbekistan and UAE.
    CAF would add DR Congo, Burkina Faso, Uganda and Ivory Coast.
    CONC would add Honduras, USA and T&T.
    CONM would add Chile.
    UEFA would add Greece and Ireland.
    New Zealand would qualify.

    The six team playoff would be China, Zambia, Guatemala, Paraguay, Solomon Islands and Italy. UEFA doesn't get a playoff spot but since they are hosting I would expect them to get one as host confed.
     
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  20. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Italy was the best UEFA qualifier among those that didn’t qualify. Ireland actually had the second-worst record among second place teams.
     
  21. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    During the last round of qualifying, both Greece and Ireland scored at least one goal in their series, Italy did not score at all. That's why I added them as automatic. The UEFA team added to the playoff (as host confed they would get one) came down to Italy and Northern Ireland. I put Italy in because they are a traditionally a better team.
     
  22. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Hmm..i guess. But if UEFA had 16 spots then the top second- place finishers in the group stage would simply qualify directly. You wouldn’t have 4 playoffs.
     
  23. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  24. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Actually I don’t think UEFA qualying format will change. The current format actually works better with 16 WC spots than it does with 13.
     
  25. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    UEFA got creative with the qualifiers for Euro2020. I’ll reserve final judgement until they have been played, but in theory the playoffs at the end should provide some drama, even if the group stage part of qualifying is rather boring.

    Other regions may want to consider determining some WC spots through the Nations Leagues, which would then reduce the # of spots determined through the regular qualifying process (thereby reserving some of its importance). For e.g. say 2 CONCACAF spots would be based on the NL. That would leave only 4 spots to come from the “regular” qualifying process. You can even keep the HEX in that case. :D
     

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