World Cup Berths: How Many Does Each Confederation Deserve?

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  1. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    For 2006 WC, In November 2005, OFC's champion was Australia and FIFA's ranking had them as 54th, while Conmebol's 5th was once again Uruguay, which FIFA's ranking had them as 17th.
    Guess who won that playoff ?
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    FIFA rankings don't say much
    ;)
     
  2. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Can Uruguay finish in a different spot just one time? I think they've been the playoff team every time since you adopted the 9 or 10 team league system for qualifiers.
     
  3. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    They simply love drama
    :inlove:
     
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  4. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    They were outright eliminated the first time this format was played for WC98, finishing 7th overall. Since then, they have finished 5th in every cycle of qualifying from Conmebol.
     
  5. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Well, you had to rewind the clock 10 years to find that single example. ;)

    It actually makes me wonder why OFC didn't lose any spots after it lost by far its best team. That alone tells you OFC is over-represented. :cool:
     
  6. musetto

    musetto Member

    Jan 20, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    OFC gets 0.5 spot since WC98. During the WC94 qualification campaign, it got 0.25.

    Maybe there will be a weak team at each WC but any confederation should be represented by at least one (automatic) spot.
     
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  7. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I somewhat agree, but that is basically an automatic spot for New Zealand.
     
  8. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Most Confederations have enough spots that qualification is pretty automatic for someone (sometimes more than 1).
     
  9. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    I guess you are talking about the likes of USA, Mexico, Japan, etc.

    That's a bit different imo. Those teams need to go through a long qualifying process. I don't see why the same shouldn't be the case for New Zealand. Giving OFC 0.25 spots still wouldn't make it too grueling for NZ to qualify.

    Only makes sense that if a region is significantly weaker than it was in 2002 and 2006 that it should lose a fraction of a WC spot.
     
  10. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unless FIFA adds more matchdays per year (which they won't, they removed February and August matchdays) there are enough qualifiers without New Zealand (or whoever else wins OFC) having to go through two playoffs because OFC would have 0.25. I don't think OFC should get 1 spot either. I think OFC should stay with 0.5
     
  11. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Fair point, but unless AFC changes their WC qualifying schedule there would still be time.

    - September: AFC playoff to determine 5th-best team
    - October: winner of AFC playoff v OFC champion
    - November: winner of AFC/OFC playoff v best 2nd-place UEFA team
     
  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. Waliatiger

    Waliatiger Member+

    Jul 1, 2013
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    UEFA 11
    CONEMBOL 6
    CONCACAF 3.5
    AFC 7
    AFC 4
    Oceania .5
     
  14. Gorando

    Gorando Member

    Anderlecht
    Belgium
    Mar 12, 2008
    Belgium
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    UEFA 25
    CONMEBOL 2
    CONCACAF 1
    AFC 1
    AFC 1
    Oceania 1
     
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  15. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    That's 2 for AFC and none for CAF.
    :p
     
  16. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #791 Nico Limmat, Apr 5, 2015
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2015
    Thread cleaned. Take the purse fights elsewhere.
     
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  17. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    RE Korea 2002:

    http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/06/24/1023864552544.html


    Something that also goes for them is that the eager media hasn't found stories about, say, wiretapping opponents by the secret intelligence service, and such like.
     
  18. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
  19. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Denmark's total population ( 5.6 million pop), is lots closer to doubling the one from Uruguay (3.5 million)., than being about the same. They are not comparable one to the other, on this aspect.

    In Uefa, teams like Moldavia (3.6 million), are those who you can compare Uruguay to, regarding to population numbers.
     
  20. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    You're right, I underestimated that bit. Denmark does track population better and more accurate though, and is a country that still attracts immigrants (10-15% with a darker skin color, and in case of Moroccans a foreign passport). It is also an older population, with 0-14 years always been lower than 18% while Uruguay is typically around the 25% (a bit lower in recent years though, 23%). Uruguay has a negative immigration account, meaning more people leave (with an Uruguayan passport) than arrive. And a higher percentage of their population are males. To be exact, Uruguay has 360000 people in the age group 0-14, Denmark has 485000. In the age group 0-24 it is 630000 vs 856000.
     
  21. SaltyCatter

    SaltyCatter Member

    Feb 16, 2009
    The West
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Blatter's running for re-election and is telling Concacaf they'll get 4 if they back him. Sounds fair even if he is an old crook-
     
  22. Hideo

    Hideo Member

    Newcastle United and Shimizu S-Pulse
    Apr 30, 2010
    Newcastle upon Tyne
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    He didn't say they will get four - that's not in his power to give. Just that he siggests it would be fairer if they had four.
    But he will also tell Africa they should have more. And he will tell Asia they should have more. Vote for me! Vote for me!

    But it's not in his power to give anyway - it's a decision for the whole ExCo as far as I know.
     
  23. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    And just to extend it out to the full population cohorts that would reasonably be playing football competitively, the Danish male population ages 0-34 is around 1,080,000, and Uruguay's male population ages 0-34 is around 920,000. Not a significant difference, IMO, and especially when you consider how huge countries such as Germany, France, Argentina, and even Holland and Chile are in comparison.
     
  24. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    meh, 2 million difference still qualifies as 'about the same' for me. I doubt Denmark would be so much worse if they had the same population as Uruguay (or vice versa).
     
  25. musetto

    musetto Member

    Jan 20, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    If you do the maths, according to Blatter, WC2022 would be played by 109 teams ...
     

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