World Cup 2019 - General Discussion

Discussion in 'Women's World Cup' started by soccernutter, Jun 3, 2019.

  1. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    And think at the end of group stage: there will be entire days without matches! :eek::eek::eek:
     
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  2. Kakeru

    Kakeru Member

    Manchester United
    Japan
    Feb 22, 2016
    Montréal, QC, Canada
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  3. Romario'sgurl

    Romario'sgurl Member+

    Wakanda FC
    Aug 26, 2000
    Wakanda
    Club:
    FC Ingolstadt 04
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    We should sue FIFA for distress and the subsequent "pain and suffering caused by this scheduling..
     
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  4. footyfan933

    footyfan933 Member

    Jun 6, 2019
    #79 footyfan933, Jun 15, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2019
    With two games played in most groups my first impression of this tournament is the difference in quality of play.

    1. minnows have learned to defend with the exception of the implosion of Thailand
    2. grass instead of turf leads to less misplaced passes and better passing play in general
    3. more "tight" games with a goal difference of <=1
    4. favorites not impressive at all: Germany, Japan, Spain, Netherlands,England
     
  5. Juanele

    Juanele Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Colorado, US
    How are we favorites? We have done very well at the youth level but our senior team has never done anything. At least those others you mentioned have done something of note at the senior women level.
     
  6. MiLLeNNiuM

    MiLLeNNiuM Member+

    Aug 28, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe @footyfan933 meant Italy instead?
     
  7. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Don't think so: before this WWC my Italy wasn't even on the women's football map! :laugh:
     
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  8. Juanele

    Juanele Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Colorado, US
    Perhaps Sweden or Norway? Not sure. Just puzzled that I see people refer to us as favorites (not only here but I saw it on another thread as well). This is only our 2nd world cup and we got our first win ever in a world cup this time around. Their goal has always been just to make it out of the group stage, anything else is a bonus.
     
  9. MiLLeNNiuM

    MiLLeNNiuM Member+

    Aug 28, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What would be that reason? I'm genuinely curious.
     
  10. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    @kolabear can provide the direct evidence, but Spain have generally been performing as well as that 5-8 block of nations over the past year or two. The senior team may have never done anything impressive at the Euro or WWC but have generally done well recently. In fact, I think it says something that the lack of production in 2015 and 2017 were justifiably considered under-performances. Spain has the talent and the chemistry. Think of them now as most people saw France a cycle or two ago - a quite good squad that just choked at the wrong times.
     
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  11. JimWharton

    JimWharton Member

    Feb 25, 2017
    For all the talk of the depth and potential parity in the tournament, so far it’s been all-favorites...the only semi-surprise would be Italy, I guess. The biggest stories so far (Italy aside) have been celebration-gate, favorites being mediocre, and underdogs playing decent defense.

    Who will be the biggest surprise team to make it through...or miss out?
     
  12. footyfan933

    footyfan933 Member

    Jun 6, 2019
    Spain. Because they consist of Barca and Atleti players and Barca have now reached the CL final numerous times.
     
  13. KimLittle#Magic

    Arsenal
    England
    Jun 16, 2019
    Barca made the final for 1st time this year. I think QF is good target for Spain.
     
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  14. Juanele

    Juanele Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Colorado, US
    Quarterfinals is a good target although this year I don't think that will happen. We will most likely draw China 0-0 and then lose to the US 3 or 4-0 in the first round.
     
  15. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    Don't drink beer but like cheese
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering. - Nietzsche
     
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  16. KimLittle#Magic

    Arsenal
    England
    Jun 16, 2019
    I have to admit confusion over potential knock out draws due to 3rd best place element.
     
  17. Romario'sgurl

    Romario'sgurl Member+

    Wakanda FC
    Aug 26, 2000
    Wakanda
    Club:
    FC Ingolstadt 04
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    I'm barely surviving tho...:cry:
     
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  18. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Looks like coaching staff DID think about fatigue and matchup considerations AHEAD of time.
     
  19. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    he says before they play the second game
     
  20. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I said it last time we posted. The staff had considered things already. You assume you’re smarter than the pros.
     
  21. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    Don't drink beer but like cheese
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Arsenal, Chelsea, chill out a bit.

    Love, Tottenham.
     
  22. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    So excited for France vs USA
     
  23. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    We have a thread for the 4th place teams and who'll be worst of the tournament, but we don't have a thread for all the permutations of 3rd place teams... So I'll try that here now!

    I'm going to ignore highly unlikely scenarios, e.g. FRA losing to NGA or GER losing to RSA, so with that in mind, and trying to go from most to least likely...

    GROUP A possibilities:
    : 3pts, at most -2 GD (many possibilities but probably NGA)
    : 4pts, -1GD (NGA)
    : 3pts, +1GD to -1GD (NOR)
    : 3pts, at least -1GD (KOR)

    GROUP B possibilities:
    : 3pts, at most -1 GD (CHN)
    : 4pts, =0GD (CHN)
    : 3pts, at most =0 GD (ESP)

    GROUP C possibilities:
    : 6pts, +1GD to +4GD (many possibilities)
    : 4pts, +2GD (BRA)
    : 4pts, =0GD (AUS)
    : 3pts, at most +1GD (BRA)
    : 6pts, at most 0GD (ITA)

    GROUP D possibilities:
    (not in likelihood order here since both matches look like toss-ups to me)
    : 4pts, at least +1GD (ARG)
    : 4pts, =0GD (ARG or JPN)
    : 4pts, at most -1GD (JPN)
    : 3pts, at least -1GD (SCO)
    : 2pts, -1GD (ARG)

    GROUP E possibilities:
    : 3pts, at least -1 GD (NZL or CMR)
    : 1pt, -2GD (CMR)

    GROUP F possibilities:
    : 3pts, at least -4GD (CHL)
    : 3pts, at least -16GD (THA)
    : 1pt, -5GD (CHL)

    TLDR: 4pts guarantees you getting into the R16 due to two groups (E+F) maxing out at 3pts. 2pts could get you in IF both E and F have draws, but that's not likely, and of course 1pt doesn't get you through. Of all of the 3pt possibilities, there are two groups that have a cap on the possible GDs* (0 in B and +1 in C) so 3pts and a +2GD would also guarantee* you going through unless 3rd in B or C has 4-6pts, circumventing the cap. That said, the floor for GD in group F makes it unlikely that a team from there goes through. I would also highly suspect that group A's 3rd place team probably won't have a GD higher than -2.

    So, for the sake of argument, I would bet that the groups with 3rd-place teams going through are B, C, D, and E (though a draw in group E or a strong CHL win in F could upset that). That would mean we'd see A1vC3, B1vD3, C1vB3, and D1vE3.

    *this is, of course, ignoring some highly unlikely scenarios as mentioned earlier
     
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  24. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    On another general discussion note:
    While we've seen a couple of upsets this tournament so far (NGA over KOR, ITA over AUS) and some close matches, when it comes down to W/D/L, there hasn't been much parity in the tournament, in the sense that the pot draws/FIFA rankings have been entirely predictive. We've even only had one outright draw so far this tournament (ARG v JPN) - I noticed in my glance-through above that "2pts" only appeared once and "5pts" didin't appear at all as possibilities. That said, we could have a lot of fireworks in the third group matchday, and several matches have been much closer than the Rankings might suggest, but it's interesting that raw results so far have been almost entirely expected.
     
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  25. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
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