World Cup 2018

Discussion in 'Brazil' started by omajac, Oct 10, 2017.

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Who will win World Cup 2018

  1. Germany

    11 vote(s)
    25.6%
  2. Brazil

    21 vote(s)
    48.8%
  3. France

    4 vote(s)
    9.3%
  4. Argentina

    1 vote(s)
    2.3%
  5. Italy

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Spain

    1 vote(s)
    2.3%
  7. Russia

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Other Team

    5 vote(s)
    11.6%
  1. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Now on to this crazy ass WC 2022 in Qatar!!:cry: I'm just hoping that it can be snatched away from them before than, but the money is already in Fifa's bank!!
     
  2. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Sampaoli has parted was with Argentina!! Too bad Lowe and Germany and Tite and Brazil can't say the same thing!! :(
     
  3. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Tite taking his sweet ass time to say something.
     
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  4. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    What if Tite says no thanks and goes back to club football?
     
  5. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    I know that. I was just giving an example of a hugely talented player who did not survive in the Brazil set up because of lack of performance. With repeated non-performance, the same thing would have happened to Messi (especially, if he also walked around on the pitch at the same time...he would be vilified). BTW, R10 was extremely dedicated in the season prior to the 2010 WC but was still dropped!
     
  6. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    You don't want Tite to stay?
     
  7. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I doubt it but it would depend on the coach. Specially had he reached a WC final 4 years prior. Ignoring 40+ goals and 20+ assists in a top European league would be hard. But certainly he'd get criticized for his lack of movement. Scolari ignored Romario when he was knocking in goals in 2002 but it took something more personal to exclude him.

    It didn't matter how hard R10 was training in 2010. He had his chances with Dunga and didn't show enough dedication. By 2009 Dunga had already figured out a system that and R10 didn't fit in it.
     
  8. tpmazembe

    tpmazembe Member

    Jun 13, 2002
    The Midfield (S.Fla)
    VAR PK discussion:
     
  9. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    As you say, Brazilian coaches have ignored players like Romario and R10 even when they were performing very well at club level. I have no doubt that Messi would face the same treatment in Brazil. Brazilian's don't invent excuses for non-performance. On the contrary, they don't excuse non-performance. 40+ goals and 20+ assists is impressive but probably not that impressive when one sees far worse players such as Lewa, Cavani etc. doing similar things. The power difference between the top clubs and the rest across European leagues (and possibly elsewhere) imply that it is much easier to put up those numbers by players playing for these top clubs. The numbers need to be contrasted with numbers put up at the relatively more egalitarian international level. And these numbers wouldn't matter if there is continuous lack of performance at the international level. Brazilians don't have that much patience, and generally there are replacements. If Neymar continues to play they way he did in this WC (which was better than Messi but quite a bit lower than his usual standards), we will be the first ones asking for him to be benched (it wouldn't matter what he did in the past). In this respect, Brazilian fans are like Real Madrid fans I think. :D
     
  10. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    His arm comes down before his body starts coming down though. I think it was reflex and I don't buy that he doesn't see the ball.

     
  11. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Sorry but you can't equate Messi's example to R10 nor Romario and I've explained why. They are completely different situations. One thing that could have happened is personality clash with a coach if indeed the rumor of Messi calling the shots are true. However, I could see Messi bowing down to a coach that showed he knew what he was doing. Just like Neymar would bow his head down to Zidane, but seemed to have no respect for Emery.

    You're not going to find many players putting up those numbers in the top European leagues. And those that are, are starting for their NTs no questions asked.

    Messi still boasts 65 goals and 40 assists for NT mind you.
     
  12. Brazil_1500

    Brazil_1500 Member

    Nov 3, 2003
    NY
    Well short lived celebration...
     
  13. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    #2338 Doc_Exec, Jul 16, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2018
    We are probably going in circles, but yes, they are starting for other NTs; however, other NTs cannot be compared with Brazil. Also, Messi does have those numbers but in double the matches. Romario and Neymar's numbers (for example) are more impressive. That didn't stop Romario from being overlooked (for whatever reason). That doesn't stop Neymar being criticized every time he doesn't perform. My point is that if Messi played for Brazil, he would not be able to survive for so long based on his laurels at club level. He would need to perform and continue to perform. Brazilians would never hunt for excuses to justify his continued non-performance. That's the difference. I'm pretty sure that if Messi played for Brazil they way he did in this WC or in the majority of the knockout stages of the last WC, he would be out and Brazil would look elsewhere, starting afresh (more so, if there were upcoming talents like Dybala etc.).
     
  14. old_carioca_in_nyc

    Jan 26, 2007
    Has Felipe Anderson ever been considered for the seleção?
     
  15. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    He was drafted once iirc, most likely by Dunga.
     
  16. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Shit he wasn't good enough to hold a starting spot on the Olympic team 2 years ago!!:rolleyes:
     
  17. omajac

    omajac Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    East Orange, New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    HELL NO!!
     
  18. S69G

    S69G New Member

    Barca
    Brazil
    Jul 16, 2018
    Non-brazilian but crazy follower of Brasil football from childhood here.
    1) I don't understand why Tite needed to announce teams the night before the game. And there was the effort to find the best XI, but not any effort to match the opponent's XI. for example, against Belgium - with them playing Felliani in mid-field and de Brunye higher up, Brazil went with same team and not a stronger, physical mid-field.
    Problems I saw was that not enough bench players were suited to come in and help tactical changes. So no surprises. I didnt get the planB or planC. Belgium had planB for the Japan game for sure.
    2) Mid-field was weak. Coutinho is the only passer but he is not a physical player. So it was always a problem of what is his best position. There was a surfeit of spolier mid fielders but little creativity.
    Holding mid-field player is always at risk of yellow. Matuidi goes out and Tolisso comes in seamlessly. Or Nzonzi. there was no way to know that the tactically astute Fernandinho will not foul Lukaku and i think that was an aberration. But why carry other mid-fielders who never appeared suitable to come on ever - such as Fred?
    3) And why no Marquinhos at right back over Fagner against even Belgium? Pavard is a converted CB. I feel Marquinhos would have been much better than Fagner in that game. Fagner adjusted well in the 2nd half of Mexico but was in difficulty in 1st half.
    4) Neymar was 60-70%. Unfortunate that he has never peaked at a cup or got injured last time mid cup.

    Looking ahead - GK is set for future.

    Defense: This is the biggest area of weakness. TS and Miranda will have to be replaced. TS is one of my most favorite players despite his emotional weakness. Technically he is a masterpiece. Marquinhos and Alex Sandro should be good. How is Marlon shaping up? Are there good young defenders in Brasil or abroad? What about the wing backs? And please, not Fagner or Fagner-level players.
    There needs to be 2nd and 3rd options for yellow card scenarios.

    Mid-field - Casemiro will be there if form holds. How good is Arthur? Fabinho? Fred? Felipe Anderson? Any good deep passer like Jorginho (Italy)? Anyone similar to Thiago Alcantara (box to box)?

    Forward - looks stacked. Jesus should get better. Vinicius? Neymar will be there. Willian possibly. Costa. Firmino. They better be in good goal scoring form though.

    Finally, the cup will be in December. More time to gel as a team over summer and less exhausted players mid-season?
     
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  19. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Why? How many Brazilian coaches are better?
     
  20. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    Why? And who should replace him?
     
  21. Doc_Exec

    Doc_Exec Member

    Jul 7, 2004
    I think central defense, defensive midfield, and attack are not going to be an issue in the future. RWB is surely a concern as is creative MF. Arthur seems to be a great hope. But Paqueta is the guy that pushes Brazil over the line I think (and hope). Can't mess up this rare talent!
     
  22. Brazil_1500

    Brazil_1500 Member

    Nov 3, 2003
    NY
    Well I have been says this for a while now we lack substitutes for 2010 and 2018. Crazy we went out in 2010 and 2018 on own goals by fernandinho and Melo.

     
  23. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Less than 1 year ago in a WCQ game at home France tied Luxembourg 0 x 0. 7 of the same starters who started the WC Final including Pogba, Mbappe, and Griezmann.
     
  24. XaviandXabi

    XaviandXabi Member

    May 4, 2005
    CT
    When did Paris turn into Philadelphia?
     
  25. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    France won both of their WCs with their starting striker not scoring a single goal :ROFLMAO:

    Giroud apparently didn't even have a shot on target.

    @Mengão86
     

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