And now that you mentioned him, he was among the first to say that what Neuer did in that match, was embarrasing and a total disgrace for football...
That's not true. The match ban is directly linked with the red card, part of it so to speak. If the referee sees a incident and punishes it, there is no possibility to punish it again by the association. If the referee sees an incident and decides it's okay with the rules, then there can't be any punishment by the association. If there is an incident that isn't seen by the referee, then the association can punish the player afterwards. Pls, the discussion makes no sense if you don't even know how these things work.
Klinsmann didn't say what Neuer did was a disgrace, he said the referee failing to make the correct call was a disgrace. Look at your own citation. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/wo...dmits-conned-referee-Frank-Lampards-shot.html Damn it, I let myself get pulled back into this stupid argument.
Tell that, and try to convince Neymar his match ban extenssion during Copa America 2015, actually was a mistake or an error by FIFA, whom not only gave him a match ban for the red card he got after kicking the ball recklessly over an unaware opponents back, but for the whole nature of the incidents he made after their match against Colombia had finished (originally, he only got a 2 match date ban for his red card, which was afterward extended to 4 match date bans, to take place during WC qualifiers, decission taken basicly by what was reported by the referee). Not so, as FIFA in its disciplinary code, clearly gives space for other of their jurisdictional bodies or for the Court of Arbitration of Sports (CAS), enough power to over rule any decission taken by the referee, if they strongly believe there was a mistake by the referee in interpretation of the rules. http://resources.fifa.com/mm/docume.../02/75/fifadisciplinarycode2017en_neutral.pdf
Again.. show me an example, there is non. Until you could, you're wrong. We still wait on an example in the Neuer case, too. But hey, everybody knows you just spread smoke to not speak about Suarez
You may be right, (I give this one to you) looking at what was written from him in that citation posted. Although for truth, it doesn't say what you are implying neither. In it, all it says that Klinsmann said was (I will quote it here literally, word by word) : "That was a goal. It is a disgrace"
Of course Rickdog will kiss Suarez's ass. After all, there's quite the love affair between Chileans and Uruguayans.
Suarez handled the ball which is not allowed, and got sanctioned after accordingly to how it is written in the rule book. There is nothing else to say on regards to that, as it is not his fault that afterwards the ghanian player decided to kick the penalty kick, up to the clouds. The whole play might be considered shameless and unfortunate, but everything was done as how it is meant to be done according to the rules and laws of the game. In the Neuer case, though, a player showed a profound lack of sportsmanship and fair play conduct, where he took advantage of a situation, which he even had the nerves to recognize after the match finished, and got away with it, as for FIFA things that may have happened in a pitch not being sanctioned at the time they happened, prescribe after 5 years, and the damage really was already done. No need to show any other examples, as everything is cristal clear as what happened in both of those cases. Now if you pretend to have other situations with the exact pattern of how things happened that day, you will have to probably wait for your whole life span to pass by, as those type of things don't happen so often, if ever, really do. And with the acceptance of goal line technology and VAR, in football, they will almost for sure never happen again.
well, if you would ask first, instead of simply spitting whatever comes into your mind, you would find out, that the whole Suarez handball situation, is against what I think should prevail in football. To me (and I'm not anyone of importance for FIFA), for what Suarez did that day, he should've been banned for life in order to set a clear example of what is allowed and what isn't, being his action that day definitively among what shouldn't be allowed in any way, as it is anti-football in its whole expression (same as his biting opponent atitude, btw). But, what I may think about the issue, means only peanuts, so if we really want to have a meaningful debate over it, we must do it on grounds of what is written in the rules and Laws of the game, regarding it (and keep own opinions regarding it, to yourselves).
he did, what was sanctioned with a red card and he got it so why ban him for live?! you can't be serious. there are 100 cases of illegal shot blocking every season and there are horrendeous fouls from. behind when defenders hunt down escaped strikers which are alone in front of the goal for the same reason and this is in all cases to prevent the opponent from scoring. at least suarez did not injured any opponent in that ghana match. and biting, well, you can define it as animalistic but in the end of the day it is not causong 6 month injury breaks like other assault. if you are consequent, then you should have banned also leonardo for life in 1994 for what he did to tab ramos or schumacher for battiston.
I am very serious here, as well From an amateur player we can accept almost anything, but from a pro-player , whom may be an example to follow by many others who love the game, that atitude for me, is unacceptable. I believe pro players, should at all times act as pro's and have respect for the game, team mates, opponents and fans, and with lousy displays all they do is show disrespect to everyone else. Sorry, but that's how I feel about the issue. In any case I don't pretend to convince anyone to believe the same way as I do. (I'm only giving you here, a polite answer to what you asked for) are you sure, it is as you think it is ? I can almost bet (I really never do any sort of bets), that the ghanian player that afterwards missed the penalty kick, even up to nowdays, still has nightmares repeating that particular penalty kick in his head, and in the future might need a serious psychiatric help to get over it He did not injure opponents physically, but mentally instead, which in many ways does more harm than a physical blow. sure, football always has been a contact sport and most of those things usually happen even unintentionally. But dogso with his hands, for a field player diferent to the goalkeeper, right on top of the goal line is simply too much. It's not as if the ball unwillingly hit him in the arms, or as if the ball was about to hit his face and he took cover with his hands in order to avoid being hurt with it. we agree to disagree, on this one As with Suarez, particularly, it's not only one thing, but countless of them : he likes biting, kicking, hiting other players, also loves diving and acting out things that never have happened, and doing all sort of unacceptable things, that probaly some may probably find to be atractive, but for me, none of it is how football should be played (it still is only my opinion, here) oh yes, you hit the nail here. I believe they should've also been banned for life for what they did back then. . . . But,........... don't worry. I'm not in FIFA's disciplinary comitee, so no matter what I may think about the issue, will never really happen .....
Around 4'30 (about the handball): @Rickdog this discussion is a bit off-topic but when you say: "to have a meaningful debate over it, we must do it on grounds of what is written in the rules and Laws of the game" ... this shouldn't exclude a sceptical stance ... rotten rules can, or better yet, should be challenged ... the VAR protocols for Russia might already include the Suarez rule (awarding a goal instead of a pen) ... it's probably better to move this discussion to the VAR thread ... we'll see if anything is done about the dark arts (if so, I'm guessing Uruguay will suffer).
Oh no! Another prediction about our demise... Get in line, boy... Remember; we taught the world how to play this game and "they" have been trying to keep us down for 100 years and somehow, against all odds, we're still here. So keep trying. Bet against us, please. We like it this way.
Suarez hand ball is no different than a last defender or a goalie committing an intentional foul to deny a goal scoring opportunity. It doesn't matter that he uses his hand, the intent is identical.
Oh yeah, there is a worldwide conspiracy against . . . wait for it . . . Uruguay! Why, you ask? Well, nobody knows.
Those words are not in my vocabulary. I'm Uruguayan, not Belgian. What's the matter? You like to give it but can't take it? Not surprised.
What is the most shocking in Suarez handball was that it was plainly conscious. Suarez made a full goalkeeper stop, jumping with both arms fully stretched out forward. Of course you're right on the fact FIFA can't invent a special rule just because of that, but it was very unique nonetheless. Suarez' handball is of a totally different nature than Henry's handball against Ireland or Maradona's handball against England. In both cases, handballing was instinctive. They should have been sanctionned and weren't but they were Human errors, even if professional footballers are normally trained to avoid them. The weird thing though, is that it seems many consider Maradona and Henry as bigger cheaters than Suarez, just because their handball weren't whistled whereas Suarez was. Players aren't responsible of that, referees are. That's particularly unfair, especially against Thierry Henry who has played it fair all through his carreer.
Although Suarez's hand ball, was sanctioned as being DOGSO, for truth even DOGSO comes short. Problem is that what Suarez particularly did, isn't described in the laws of the game. He didn't deny a goal scoring "opportunity " (in which case, although chances are very low on not scoring after, if the fault didn't happen, it could still happen that the player with that opportunity, kicks it out). What Suarez denied was a ball going in (no hands there, and 100 % certain, it would have gone in, and unless the referee and linesmen were completely blind, it would've been a goal). In any case, my position on regards to Suarez, not only comes for that particular play (his handball in 2010), but for his long history of dubious situations in which he always manages to get involved in (till the 2010 WC, wasn't even counting any of his attempts to "eat" opponents in matches while being played, in Netherlands (Bakkal) later in that same year, at the premier league (Ivanovic) in 2013, and at the next WC (Chiellini) in 2014). That particular play (2010 hand ball), for me, was simply "the straw that broke the camel's back". At this point, regarding Suarez, I believe it's just a matter of time before he bites someone else in Spain, or at next WC.....