World Cup 2018 (Crew Board)

Discussion in 'Columbus Crew' started by Placid Casual, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That and the fact that Mexico and Costa Rica laid down a bit in their last game. That said, it's our own fault. An old coach once told me, "don't put yourself in in a situation where you have to leave the call in the hands of the referee".
     
  2. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's one match left in the second round of group play. There hasn't been a scoreless draw yet.
     
  3. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #128 Bill Archer, Jun 24, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2018
    Columbia Poland maybe the most fun game so far. Columbia is brilliant today.
     
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  4. Hamburgler03

    Hamburgler03 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 31, 2000
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Colombia is pretty good too. :D
     
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  5. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bite me
     
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  6. Aaron d

    Aaron d Member+

    May 15, 2005
    Wooster
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Poland is overrated. They should never have been a 1 seed.
     
  7. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    That's because they gamed the FIFA rankings.
     
  8. Aaron d

    Aaron d Member+

    May 15, 2005
    Wooster
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep. Not only is the ranking methodology a complete joke, but European qualification setup compounds the factor.
     
  9. TRUJDUB

    TRUJDUB Member+

    Nov 22, 2015
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Break down why
     
  10. KHT_Crew

    KHT_Crew Member+

    Mar 29, 2003
    Queen City, OH
    Somebody can correct me if I am wrong (I am going off the top of my head on information from awhile ago) but...

    The Rankings calculation right now gives heavier weighting for opponent being a UEFA team (say, multiply by 1.25 instead of 1.0 within the calculation). So all the UEFA teams can get a slight bit more points when they are playing each other during UEFA/WC qualifications and Euro tournaments than other confederations can doing the same activities within their own regions.
     
  11. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    The way I heard it was the FIFA ranking is based on an average of a team's results. Teams obviously get more points for wins than ties. Competitive matches count more than friendlies. Poland had a good WC qualifying campaign and avoided playing any friendlies to avoid lowering their average.
     
  12. CybrSlydr

    CybrSlydr Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Jun 30, 2013
    Casper, WY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Uruguay really putting it to Russia.
     
  13. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A new system will be introduced after this World Cup is complete. It will be based on the Elo rating system (which I had experience with in my youth as it is used for chess rankings) and the confederation weighting will be removed. The women's system is already close to the new system, being based on the Elo system.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Rankings#2018_ranking_system_update
     
  14. CybrSlydr

    CybrSlydr Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Jun 30, 2013
    Casper, WY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So much flopping in this Russia/Uruguay game you'd think it was a fish market...
     
  15. Aaron d

    Aaron d Member+

    May 15, 2005
    Wooster
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seeding is used in the groups. The group winners play no one else. Poland played exactly 5 teams to qualify. The best team they faced was Denmark or Romania. Denmark pulled the same junk as Poland and played in less friendlies in 2017.

    So a stupid system is given to a confederation with a strong weighting factor, then allows those teams to play no one good.

    Meanwhile, Conmebol, Concacaf & Asia play significantly more teams to gain qualification.

    IMO, European teams play too few other countries to say they are the best of their confederation.
     
  16. jairadballerina

    jairadballerina Member+

    Sep 15, 2004
    C-Town
    So you're saying UEFA is the SEC of soccer.
     
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  17. Aaron d

    Aaron d Member+

    May 15, 2005
    Wooster
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty much.
     
  18. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    Not quite sure how UEFA are supposed to play more qualifying games with the constraints of
    1) FIFA window dates.
    2) That qualifying has to take place from the September following the Euros to November of the following year
    3)That most nations apart from the ones gaming the rankings (which they can't do anymore ) like to play an occasional friendly on those FIFA dates.
    4) Oh. Add in the idiocy of the UEFA Nations league.
     
  19. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
  20. TKyle

    TKyle Moderator
    Staff Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 28, 2014
    Nordecke’s Porch
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, CONMEBOL nations play 18 WCQ’s, plus Copa America. Teams in CONCACAF’s Hex play 16 WCQ’s (6 in semi’s and 10 in the Hex).
    Granted, with Euro’s, there is a whole bunch of other qualifiers.
     
  21. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    1) Conmebol don't play qualifiers for COPA America
    2) When do Conmebol qualifiers start?
    3) When do Concacaf qualifiers start?
    4) Certain teams don't have to qualify for the Gold Cup. Ever.

    Now relate those to the questions I asked.

    In a four year period, European teams will play at least 20 qualifiers across Euros and World Cup.

    Plus the Nations League now.

    UEFA - 55 members
    Comnebol - 10 members
    Concacaf - 41 members
     
  22. Aaron d

    Aaron d Member+

    May 15, 2005
    Wooster
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you think playing 5 countries is enough to earn qualification to the WC?

    There's a better way to do it. I don't have to create a better way to know that the process is a crock.
     
  23. Jim Bach

    Jim Bach Member+

    Bradford City Association Football Club
    May 11, 1999
    Land of the Lizard People, or so I'm told
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Palestine
    Maybe it's not that UEFA members don't play each other enough but rather than CONCACAF/CONMEBOL members play each other too many times. But, ultimately it's up to each confederation to decide, is it not?
     
  24. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And part of it, in UEFA, is all of the new countries in the past 20 years due to the breakup of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia and the addition of some minnows like Gibraltar. So it's a lot harder for all of the European teams to play all of the other European teams. That has to affect it somehow.
     
  25. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    Again. Within the constraints already outlined, how are UEFA supposed to create a process where teams play more than 5?

    To use your Poland example.

    In this World Cup cycle Poland have played:
    European Qualifying:

    Germany
    Eire
    Scotland
    Georgia
    Gibraltar

    Lost once - To Germany

    Euro 2016:
    Germany
    Northern Ireland
    Ukraine

    Switzerland
    Portugal

    They didn't lose a game in normal time at the Euros

    World Cup qualifying
    Denmark
    Montenegro
    Romania
    Armenia
    Kazakstahn

    Lost once at Denmark

    20 qualifying games - 2 defeats.

    Sometimes countries just have a bad tournament.

    Not quite sure what teams are missing from UEFA.

    The Dutch? Finished third in a six team group.
    Italy? They lost a play off.
     

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