Women's US Open Cup

Discussion in 'US Women's Lower Divisions' started by twinssoccerdad, Mar 30, 2009.

  1. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    So the groups for the next edition of the men's CCL were drawn tonight, and it got me wondering:
    Which will happen first, a true women's USOC or a women's CCL?
     
  2. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well how many semi-pro women leagues are there in concacaf?

    Mexico has one or two but they are not high quality.

    Any women CL would be small with a buch of forfits due to money. Basically like the old mens CL.
     
  3. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Not sure about the pro/semipro/proam/am status, but I know of at least four leagues in central America, two of which (CR and Nicaragua) I know fairly recent champions for, up to 2014. I thought Jamaica and T&T had leagues as well.

    But yeah, I think having money-forfeits wouldn't be a logistical limitation since there is precedent.

    That all said, I think that unless Canada gets its own women's semipro/proam league together, the women's USOC is a bit more likely than a women's CCL.
     
  4. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Anyway, I just checked the website today, since the tournament was supposed to happen over the weekend. It did, though the final for the women's open division doesn't have a score on it yet despite supposedly happening yesterday. Good news is that they did scramble a fourth team up for the competition, so the CO Sporting Fury joined Mothershuckers, United FC, and Olympic Club. They even didn't embarrass themselves, getting a win over Mothershuckers. But it's United FC and Olympic Club in the final, which makes sense to me with Olympic having already won the competition before and United FC, if they are in fact the same Atlanta team from a few years ago, at least having participated before. If the final wasn't actually played, which it might just not have been considering they've never played a final before when the group stage was just four teams, Olympic came in 1st. However, the USASA Twitter account called the third-round group game between Olympic and Sporting Fury a "semifinal", so I'm guess there should have been a real final played yesterday. I just can't find any info on it.
     
  5. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    #55 SiberianThunderT, Jul 19, 2016
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2016
    Schedule page has been updated, with the Olympic Club of San Francisco successfully defending their Open Cup title, defeating United FC 2-0 in the final on Sunday. They scored 14 goals and allowed just 2 in their 4 games. Olympic Club are the first team to defend their title since now-defunct Ajax America did so in 2003-2004.

    =EDIT=
    Okay, I just noticed that the links to last year's Open Cup are now 404'd, so just to make sure the record of this year is kept, I'm copying the schedule/results below.
    Code:
    Thursday, July 14
    Pool Play – Pool A
    G     Time     Location     Away Team         Home Team         Status
    1     6:00p     Field 8     Olympic Club     7     Mothershucker     1     Completed
    6     6:00p     Field 10     CO Sporting Fury     1     United FC     4     Completed
    Friday, July 15
    Pool Play – Pool A
    G     Time     Location     Away Team         Home Team         Status
    4     4:00p     Field 10     United FC     1     Olympic Club     2     Completed
    3     6:00p     Field 8     CO Sporting Fury     7     Mothershucker     0     Completed
    Saturday, July 16
    Pool Play – Pool A
    G     Time     Location     Away Team         Home Team         Status
    5     8:00a     Field 8     CO Sporting Fury     0     Olympic Club     3     Completed
    2     8:00a     Field 10     United FC     14     Mothershucker     0     Completed
    Sunday, July 17
    Playoffs
    G     Time     Location     Away Team         Home Team         Status
    1     12:00p     Field 14     United FC     0     Olympic Club     2     Completed
     
  6. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    #56 SiberianThunderT, May 15, 2017
    Last edited: May 15, 2017
    Blowing the annual layer of dust off this thread; I went to go check on the USASA site this year to see what, if any, news was there for the next Women's Cup.

    Currently there are two teams registered for this year's cup in Nashville - last year's runners-up United FC, and a club from Canada. Wut.
     
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  7. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Welp, it looks like the USASA Women's Open Cup is truly falling apart now... This year's Adult SoccerFest website no longer lists an "open" division among the women's tournaments. Sad day.

    Someone really needs to step in and create a better-fun, higher-incentive competition for the women outside of the established leagues.
     
  8. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Okay, so I'm answering a question more than a year old.

    There will probably never be a women's counterpart to the LHUSOC. It's possible that there might eventually be a more limited "league cup" amongst pro teams, but there's just no interest or money there - and it would be a diversion from building the league brand. Remember, the original NASL teams ignored the USOC. The "NWSL" brand is what they're trying to make succeed right now, I doubt you could get the pro teams involved for the foreseeable future.

    A CCL could definitely happen. Especially if FIFA creates a women's CWC. FIFA has the financial wherewithal to create a money losing tournament.

    But a WCCL would likely not be the result for CONCACAF. Instead you'd end up with a neutral site Cup with 4 or 8 teams - like the old CONCACAF Champions Cup. and the Women's Gold Cup. Home/Away games are too expensive. Get the teams in a location and settle things over a week.

    At the 2011 WWC intercontinental playoff second leg against Italy in Chicago over Thanksgiving Weekend in 2010, I actually talked for a bit with Sunil about the possibility of any level of home and home series in CONCACAF Women's World Cup Qualifying. He said that it didn't make any sense financially. The Gold Cup format was already a money loser, and adding the expense of home/home series would make things worse.

    And it's not just the women. Every time CONCACAF has tried to reform the CCC/CCL or Men's WCQ, the early plan ends up getting watered down with smaller groups with less games and less travel. It's always fun to draw up great and expansive plans, but once the budgeting starts...

    I guess the short answer is "neither". But I wouldn't count out a Women's CONCACAF Champions Cup. That said, I would not expect that to happen unless there's a FIFA Women's Club World Cup appearance on the line for the potential winner.
     
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  9. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    #59 SiberianThunderT, Feb 5, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2018
    After a year of no Women's Open Cup, it sounds like it could be back on the table soon. (Maybe not soon enough for a 2018 tournament though? It'd be 4-5 months away from now.)


    =edit=
    Wow, despite the original tweet being from the other week, he responded quickly!


    Looks like it certainly is too late for a 2018 tournament to come around. Should I be surprised he gave me a sideways answer as to UWS involvement? X-D
     
  10. ROrr

    ROrr New Member

    Feb 9, 2018
    No, you shouldn't be surprised about that sideways answer. That's what an all expenses paid trip to Las Vegas for the WPSL AGM will buy you.

    Like the Trump supporter he is, he's recently been propping up a populist message while being inherently biased towards a specific avenue or entity. And like Trump, he's not very good at hiding that bias. Just another corrupt official at the head of a national soccer body.
     
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  11. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    ....the "X-D" should have indicated that it was a completely rhetorical question and that the answer was definitely No.
     
  12. ROrr

    ROrr New Member

    Feb 9, 2018
    "Your insight serves you well." - Obi-Wan Kenobi
     
  13. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    he's the king of donuts...nobody should be shocked that he knows how to peddle to everyone both sugar and sprinkles.
     

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