Will there ever be a new country producing a CL winner?

Discussion in 'Champions League' started by Gibraldo, Aug 27, 2016.

  1. Gibraldo

    Gibraldo Member

    Nov 17, 2005
    Pfaffenhofen / Ilm
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Country:
    Serbia
    Hi,

    after Portugals debut as a Euro Champ, I wonder if there will ever be a new country producing a CL winner?

    So far only 10 of 55 countries reached that glory. Italy, Spain, England, Germany, Portugal, Scotland, Netherlands, Serbia, Romania and France with Olympique Marseille giving France the last entry to that list and that was 24 years ago.

    Do you think another country will have a chance? Maybe Ukraine, Belgium or Greece with Pana or Olympikos?

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  2. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    If I had to lay money on it I'd go with Russia with Zenit the most likely (even though they're not in it this season).
     
  3. shizzle787

    shizzle787 Member

    Apr 27, 2015
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    United States
    Ukraine or Russia.
     
  4. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States
    I agree. The best four clubs in the European countries who have never won a Champions League might be Zenit St. Petersburg, CSKA Moscow, Dinamo Kiev, and Shakhtar Donetsk. Basel and Olympiakos have had success also, but Olympiakos didn't score in either leg against a Hapoel Be'er Sheva club whose 2015-2016 Israeli title was their first championship since 1975-1976. There's also APOEL Nicosia, Viktoria Plzen, Sparta Prague, Anderlecht, Dinamo Zagreb, Red Bull Salzburg, and BATE Borisov, but those clubs aren't as good as the four I named from Russia and Ukraine.
     
  5. Antario2

    Antario2 Member

    Jan 29, 2012
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    I think there is a bigger chance that the CL will be discontinued than a new country producing a winner in the short run. The current conditions favor the top leagues too much for an outside team to go all the way. International football is more competitive due to a lack of a transfer market.

    That said in the long term conditions in soccer might chance dramatically due to real world events. What will the EU look like, did the EPL survive Brexit, impact of Chinese and US sports spending, etc. I suppose one of the large metropolitan areas could support a strong team so Moscow, Warshaw, Kiev or Athens.
     
  6. shizzle787

    shizzle787 Member

    Apr 27, 2015
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    United States
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  7. iggymcfly

    iggymcfly Member

    Jun 20, 2014
    There will never be a new country to win the Champions League. Talent's been consolidating to the bigger clubs and moving away from the smaller countries for years and will continue to do so until eventually we end up with a Super League that might not even include any teams from countries who haven't won't the trophy already. I mean look at the finals for the last decade. The smallest team to make the final was.... Dortmund?

    I see a lot of people bringing up Russia. CSKA Moscow is currently listed at 500:1 to win the Champions League and it's a a sucker bet. Dynamo Kyiv's odds are a little better at 250:1 and they're also not getting within sniffing distance. It's a pipe dream.
     
  8. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Regrettably I feel the answer is no. The advent of globalized media contracts means TV money acts like a multiplier for clubs' wealth - Success breeds brand appeal, appeal builds viewership, viewership builds sponsorship value, sponsorship value helps increase payroll, increased payroll helps with success, etc. Repeat cycle. It was already an advantage for wealthier, more populous countries to foster bigger leagues and clubs based on domestic resources alone, now at no additional infrastructure cost those leagues can recoup ever more by sending those same games around the world. What was a 10-1 advantage becomes a 100-1 advantage.

    On one front it took the advent of sugar daddies dumping BILLIONS into their respective clubs to alter the landscape, and that's a formula that can't be readily repeated. Now the UEFA formats create disincentives for owners and operators outside the big four to invest in their own clubs and domestic leagues. Even though a handful of nations have the domestic resources that could, over time, endow leagues to compete at or near top 4 level, those current top four leagues will benefit from receiving extra financial support via their UEFA payouts. ie: It will take a league-wide equivalent of a Chelsea/City/PSG makeover in order to crack the top 4. And because of that, it will be near impossible for teams from those leagues to ever win a European Cup.

    I fear, anyway.
     
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  9. Antario2

    Antario2 Member

    Jan 29, 2012
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Theoretically speaking, inter league transfers of clubs would be a lot cheaper and could break open the entire system. The CL is now becoming pretty much a 4 league cup tournament, what is to stop, say PSG or Zenit, to buy a Spanish or German license (or a bottom end club) and switch leagues? EU competition laws would probably force UEFA and national associations to budge.
     
  10. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I like stuff like this. Many of those countries are from the European Cup era, how many have won the Champions League- I'd guess only Germany, Italy, England, Portugal, and Spain? Just looked it up, I was wrong, Netherlands (Ajax) and France (Marseille) were in the early days. I'd agree the most obvious one is Russia, and it will be a long time....

    I think regional leagues (hopefully with pro/real) would give historically big clubs in small countries the platform to compete. The Atlantic league for Celtic, Rangers, Ajax, PSV, Brugge, for example. Or an Austria/Swiss league. Anyway, interesting question.

    When and who will be the next new winner? I'd guess Arsenal or Tottenham, but again, it will be a long time!
     
  11. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    The other way to look at it: if a solid Russian or Ukrainian team gets a lucky draw like Real Madrid got last season then they could very well find themselves in a CL final.

    That's kind of what happened in 2004. Porto winning the CL seems impossible. But what is far from impossible is Porto beating each of the teams that they needed to beat to win that CL. At the end of the day it is a cup competition so something like this is still far more likely than, say, Leicester winning the Premiership.
     
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  12. Rea Bourne

    Rea Bourne New Member

    Feb 17, 2014
    Maybe, but I'm pessimistic.
     
  13. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Country:
    Portugal
    what does that have to do with the CL ? Portugal was the second nation to win the ECC /CL.

    CAMPEOES

    but watch Real Madrid vs Sporting today in which Sporting made Real Madrid look like Tondela for 80 minutes. Then the ref conditioned the game by expelling the manager for no reason (Jesus) , soft cards, and an inexistent free kick for their equalizer. nowadays only a handful of clubs from Spain, England, and Germany are allowed to win the CL.
     
  14. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Country:
    United States
    I think it's a long shot; you want to say Russia but honestly I think that league has peaked and the petrodollars are drying up. As noted above, their best clubs are a real long shot.

    The Swiss League is Top-10 in average salaries, and Basel have become a regular participant, but I just think the ceiling is too low. No Swiss team will ever be able to pull a PSG (and even they failed ultimately).

    My best guess? Wales. The EPL is where the money is, so maybe (in terms of billionaire investment from outside) the next Man City will be a Welsh side. Whats his name who owns Cardiff doesn't quite have the deep pockets, but maybe Swansea get bought or somebody else.

    I don't expect that to happen, mind you--as you can see above, I really don't have any idea of WHICH Welsh club it would be. But it's the least-unlikely scenario I can think of.
     
  15. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Would agree with everything you're saying if the question was about the next 5 or 10 years. But forever is a long time. Unless the CL morphs into some sort of super-league like with rugby, a winner from an 11th country should happen eventually. The question is how? Maybe a north Atlantic league forms which would not only generate more revenue potential but perhaps also attract billionaire owners.
     
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  16. shizzle787

    shizzle787 Member

    Apr 27, 2015
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    United States
    Wales is a cheeky guess.
     
  17. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Country:
    Gibraltar
    Probably Russia, but not under current conditions with their energy based economy barely growing. But if energy prices rebound and the sanction regimes start to expire it's conceivable that they'll have another growth period.
     
  18. Mike T

    Mike T Member

    May 21, 2002
    Miami
    As long as corruption persist..particularly for premadonas (R Madrid, Bayern, & Barcelona) ..it will never hap pen again. Just between yesterday and today you a have TWO obvious hand balls not called ... one specifically on the premadona of premadonas Cristiano Ronaldo & Real Madrid and another today in Barcelona's favor.

    As long as this kind of bias/corruption is allowed to persist it is highly unlikely to occur again.
     
  19. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
    Turkey?
     
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  20. nalove

    nalove New Member

    Sep 8, 2016
    Barcelona will win it as a representative from Catalonia. :D
     
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  21. Simmer

    Simmer Member

    Oct 23, 2009
    Holland
    Country:
    Netherlands
    Can't see it happen with the UEFA favouring the big leagues.
     
  22. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Country:
    United States
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  23. fjsej

    fjsej New Member

    Oct 29, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    i guess Croatia can do it..it's possible if Modric can do football like he do now after years
     
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    Italy
    Oct 31, 2016
  25. Gravizapa

    Gravizapa Member

    Aug 27, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Country:
    Latvia
    I think Shakhtar and Zenit might be the first pretenders to win CL. But they need more classy footballers. What do you think about Spartak?
     

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