Why do same teams go to Sudamericana as Copa Lib !!!

Discussion in 'Copa Libertadores / Sudamericana' started by crzdcolombian, Jan 13, 2008.

  1. D.I.M

    D.I.M Member

    May 17, 2004
    Woodridge, NJ
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I remember the old Libertadores format 2 teams per country. Which then had to eliminate each other at quarter finals I think...

    I do agree with the conversation.

    Also the number of spots each country gets should be changed.....

    Most countries now have an Apertura and Clausura.. give each country 4 spots per year to which the Champs and runner up of Apertura and Clausura go.. 40 teams without Mexico or 44 with Mexico.. include Mexico if that's what they want... (10 S.A. teams and Mexico)

    Sudamericana make it 2 teams per country the 3rd place in apertura and 3rd place in clausura...

    Basically Libertadores becomes more important with more teams and by having 4 teams in it you get your Bocas and Rivers and Sudamericana is for the smaller teams to get a chance to get some international glory..
     
  2. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Copa Lib is fine how it is maybe have the mexis fight spots with the US

    what needs to be changed is the Sudamericana make it more like Copa Lib but only have small teams cause Boca has no reason to be in that tournoment and we all saw how bad Arsenal is doing in a tournie with big teams, and how Millos got that far is beyond me
     
  3. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Like i said before it's funny that 1st tier teams take part in the Sudamericana but it was won, except Boca, by 2nd tier sides, they way it should be.

    I think i've said it before in these forums but If the mexican sides were kicked off, i was thinking of a 40 teams competition each country gets 4 spots, 24 directly and 8 decided on the qualifying round, 4 countries get 3 direct spots while the remaining 6 get 2, this decided in recent year performances by clubs from each country or any other criteria that could come by, once that is done bring a proper format for a 2nd cup, the Sudamericana, although as i see the Libertadores as the most important thing i didn't think of any yet.:cool:
     
  4. Arango82

    Arango82 Member

    Jan 17, 2007
    Venezuela
    Club:
    Caracas FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Venezuela
    I agree except for the whole MLS time frame. Have it from October to May instead.
     
  5. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That would benefit Argentina, Uruguay and Venezuela, yeah favour 30% but screw the the 70%, i think it's the leagues that should adjust their schedules more likely. I guess that could be another interesting debate.
     
  6. bosterosoy

    bosterosoy New Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    In a House
    and Boca won one of those 2 when they hadn't qualified for the Libertadores (thus they took the Sudamericana more seriously) and the other time they won was after they had lost the Libertadores final to Once Caldas (they had a bitter taste in their mouth)
     
  7. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Good point there when they won it and didn't qualify to the Libertadores, so yeah events are making it look like a 2nd tier cup even if CONMEBOL tries to not allow such.:D
     
  8. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has there been any statistical analysis between the 10 comebol teams to see what countries deserve what? maybe adjust the UEFA formula.
     
  9. It's called FOOTBALL

    May 4, 2009
    Well, now it's a better idea for a country to send their strongest teams to both tourneys, now that the Nissan Cup champ gets a berth to Lib. Argentina will have the edge this year because they sent strong teams to both.

    It is kinda weird that mid-table teams now have this backdoor passage to Lib, which is an easier route than qualifying through the league or as defending Lib champion. I see this as kinda like being when a team gets a high draft pick. You do bad one season, you get helped the next.
     
  10. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well you still have to do average to make it to the sud Americana right?
     
  11. It's called FOOTBALL

    May 4, 2009
    Yeah. But if you do good, you won't have that backdoor passage the next year, unless you're an Argentine team.
     
  12. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    nada que ver....

    suramericana en papel reemplaza copa Conmebol (recuerdan la que disputaban los 3r y cuartos de cada pais)......pero bajo el formato nuevo ellos tratan al maximo en llevar o invitar sin merito a 2 o 3 de argentina y brazil......


    es un juego de mercadeo, para mantener unos equipos de TV ocupados en la 2nd parte del an`o
     
  13. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Que en realidad termina siendo inutil porque la Libertadores tranquilamente podria ocupar ese espacio sin jugarla a las apuradas y con calendarios apretadisimos. O sea, a la larga se le da espacio a un torneo inutil, tratandolo de importante y también sacandole merito y espacio a la Libertadores.
     

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