Who should replace Osorio?

This is a problem I really don’t know how to solve. There’s so much money in FMF and it really shows. It’s not just that the players are expensive, their salaries are substantially higher than the common salaries you see in South America. A lot of players have the dream of playing in Europe but when it comes to taking the pay cut I’m willing to bet some don’t want to make the move anymore.

I think one thing we can do is use the youth NT programs as a platform for quality fringe players that for whatever reason aren’t performing at the club level. If they’re scouted and offered anything by euro clubs, let them go. There are youth players that once had interest or offers from euro clubs and now they’re in their mid 20s playing in Segunda and Tercera.

 

It doesn’t work in what way? Not entirely sure what point you’re trying to make but my point is that clubs should be sending fringe players to youth NTs and should be more willing to let players go when they don’t need them. Regardless this is a tiny sample size.

Pachuca has less of this issue because they have 3 affiliates and 2 are first division teams (Leon and Everton).

 

Ah bueno. So your point all along was “FMF is corrupt and we are doomed without a societal revolution”. That’s all you had to say.

 

That’s a good point. TBH I think that the MLS becoming a top league would benefit the MXNT more than any other country. The marketing power to bring in MX players makes buying MX players a no brainer. The day MLS has a top world league, we’ll make a deep run in a WC.

Of course I’d prefer MX to become a top league and ideally both for the competition.

 

Yeah no. This isn't guarantee at all. If MLS becomes a top league and soccer truly arrives in the US, they don't necessarily need Mexicans at all. They already have 4 major leagues in the US, none of which needs to cater to Mexicans. Maybe Mexicans should get their shit together like the South Americans do instead of trying for it to come to them for in the end to just get their biggest rival into the Elite and look at them from below.

 

Yeah whether they like football or other sports without Mexicans those 4 leagues are huge and moneymakers which mean that they don't need Mexicans at all to make those 4 leagues as rich as they are. If MLS becomes a world league and soccer truly arrives it nowhere near a guarantee that it needs Mexicans and it will help Mexico AT ALL. What it will guarantee though it's that the US becomes a powerhouse and probably leaves Mexico in the dust. People seem to forget that Mexico has such a big advantage because soccer isn't mainstream in the US but if it is, then it wouldn't be so. It should just be clear from the "most watched soccer game ever in the US" talking point that disappeared.

 

You don’t think the NFL would be catering to Mexicans if Mexicans cared about football? They’re already kind of doing that. Why do you think the biggest boxing fights happen on Mexican holidays? They’re catering to an audience. MLS is always going to try to cater to Mexicans.

 

Boxing has even less fans than soccer in the US. NFL football is a great example. How do they cater? 1 game a year and they just moved like whatever and traumatized all NFL fans in Mexico. That is the catering. 0 Mexican players and they can go on without them. Same with the NBA and Baseball. NBA does that stupid thing of naming their teams in Spanish one day. Big deal. Same with baseball. Hell look at the Dodgers. They have a huge mexican market in Los Angeles, they had Fernandomania and all that. How many Mexican players have made a big deal with them since Valenzuela? Adrian Gonzalez, who didn't even come thru the Dodgers farm system? And look at the Dodgers. They are doing just fine without Mexican baseball players. Same thing would happen if soccer hits it big. Mexicans aren't needed at all. Being the money hungry guys is fine if they can get it but they can just be fine without them if they go mainstream. But what will happen is that the US will become a powerhouse while Mexico isn't guaranteed shit.

 

This is dangerously close to a false equivalence. Baseball and basketball might be regionally popular in Mexico but soccer is by far the most popular sport and boxing follows it above all those others you mentioned. If we’re going to talk about how American companies and organizations cater to a sport that is popular in MX, boxing is the perfect sport to look at, not NFL. And it’s clear they cater to Mexicans in boxing. Boxing is almost as nationalistically guided a sport as soccer is. There’s money there.

If the players are good enough and bring in the marketing potential of coming from a country with one of the biggest fan bases in the world, why wouldn’t they try to sign them? MLS isn’t coming into an uncontested market so the parallels aren’t all going to hold up. Mexicans are already good enough to play in top leagues in the most nationalistically guided sport in the world.

 

So boxing, a sport that has even less following than soccer, in the US is the perfect sport to talk about but not Baseball and Basketball, the sports that are actually in the mainstream in the US?

What the hell does it matter if it's popular in Mexico. You know where else is by far the most popular sport? Almost the whole planet. They don't need Mexico to look for talent. And like I said, they don't need Mexicans at all if they go mainstream. The US has the population and size to have 4 major leagues that make money the amount Liga MX can't come close to. If MLS becomes a world powerhouse league, it doesn't matter at all if Mexicans jump into or not. Just as the NFL did, they can just leave Mexico in the dust. If they go in good, if they don't whatever. But what would be true is that they will become a powerhouse and Mexico isn't guaranteed anything at all.

 

Outside of Russia, Mexico was one of the top countries that bought tickets for the World Cup, as is usually the case. They buy tickets and merchandise. TV revenue is a huge chunk of revenue but if all other things are equal and a group of fans are contributing to those other income sources why wouldn’t they be sought after. Soccer might be the most popular sport in Haiti, but they’re not purchasing like the Mexicans are. That’s really the only the point I’m making.

“Just as the NFL did, they can just leave Mexico in the dust.”

I guess we’ll have to wait and see. I doubt the NFL had too long a dilemma about whether to leave behind the non-existent Mexican talent and non-existent marketing potential there. The NFL is an uncontested sports league. It doesn’t have the marketing potential in Mexico that a soccer league can have (a league that is also closely integrated with ours).

 

More tickets in the World Cup, big deal. How does Liga MX fare competitively money wise against the big leagues in Europe? Because that is what the MLS would be (maybe more) if it went mainstream. The US has 4 mainstream sports league that based on their domestic market don't need Mexico at all. If they break thru in soccer to mainstream, Mexicans aren't needed and it can happen just like "most watched soccer game game in the US " left us in the dust.

If anything the NFL should tap more since Mexico is one of the few countries where the sports is extremely popular unlike soccer where they have the entire WORLD to market to. Yet the US domestic market has made the NFL richer than any league because that is how powerful the mainstream market in the US is. Mexico fans are cater to because it's a smaller sport but should they break into the mainstream market and create a major league comparable to their big 4,, Mexicans will be an afterthought just like they are in the major sports they do participate in.