Who should be the next Belgium manager?

Discussion in 'Belgium' started by Belgian guy, Jul 16, 2016.

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Who should be the next Belgium manager?

  1. Louis Van Gaal

    25.0%
  2. Dick Advocaat

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Frank De Boer

    12.5%
  4. Hein Vanhaezebrouck

    12.5%
  5. Yannick Ferrera

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. André Villas-Boa

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Cesare Prandelli

    12.5%
  8. Marcelo Bielsa

    12.5%
  9. Someone else

    25.0%
  1. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
    Belgium
    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
    Club:
    Club Brugge KV
    I didn't include Michel Preud'homme because Bart Verhaeghe already confirmed what we all knew: that he isn't a candidate for the job.
     
  2. avdmeers

    avdmeers Member

    Nov 14, 2013
    Belgium
    Club:
    Atletico Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Voted Bielsa, time to think offensive.
     
  3. Rode Duivels fan

    Apr 16, 2010
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Am I wrong in thinking that the situation of having current presidents and directors of clubs serving concurrently on a national federation board is a big conflict of interest and unique to the KBVB?

    Anyway my preference would have been Preud'homme, but failing him, De Boer, Van Gaal or Vanhaezebrouck (in that order).
     
  4. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
    Belgium
    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
    Club:
    Club Brugge KV
    It's basically like this:
    The F.A. made Bart Verhaeghe vice president because they want him to help with clearing the financial rubble left in the wake of Steven Martens term as CEO.
    At the same time, Bart Verhaeghe just moved heaven and earth to get Michel Preud'homme to stay on as Club Brugge manager.
    Now it seems politically impossible for the F.A. to steal Michel Preud'homme from Club Brugge for the reasons mentioned above. They sort of need Bart Verhaeghe now and Bart Verhaeghe wants Michel Preud'homme to stay at his club.

    In any case, I don't think that the F.A. should ever steal a manager from a club, but that is another matter entirely.
     
  5. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    IMAO there's no reason to be ecstatic ... I'm telling you Wilmots was holding back ... will be interesting to see if he can turn into a fully evolved Warpig at his next job :D:ninja::ninja::ninja:

    Thank you ... for the memories I will cherish forever

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  6. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    #6 Blondo, Jul 17, 2016
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2016
    Looks at poll ... everybody going for a different cook manager ... complete and utter anarchy :eek:o_O:ROFLMAO:

    IDK why Van Puyvelde kept mentioning China (it worked for Trump though) ... probably we're selling out, like everybody else ... from richfag to poorfags, like us, looking for a handout. Regardless ... the profile of our next manager fills about 2 pages but the KBVB only wanted to reveal that they're looking for a tactically astute manager with experience in modern football/achieved success, flexibility (adapting tactics depending on the opponent), accustomed to working in a high performance context/people manager, who openly communicates with the media and who's able to work within the KBVB structures ... above all else, a manager that will work for peanuts.

    MPH is the best Belgian option while we can't afford to waste opportunities ... I was hoping he'd bite or at least combine the job during this season (not many NT fixtures and he took on less responsibility at Club) ... Verhaeghe, again, made clear that's a big no-no ... a dirty shame ... letting it slide because Bruges jumped on the Leekens grenade :ninja::D:ROFLMAO::ninja:

    Mr. 90%: "Sky is the limit bij Club"

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    I'll always prefer a promising manager under 40yo or not much older ... ideally a Belgian one but the managers from abroad might be more interesting +/- affordable ... that's why I don't mind casting a wider net.

    Hiddink, IMAO, redeemed himself when he turned Mourinho's trainwreck of a season around ... he went on a long unbeaten streak until the starting XI was mostly the kiddies ... also did well as interim CFC manager in the past) ... and he shouldn't even receive too much blame for a Strootman/Robben-less underperformance of the dutchies (in the end he was stabbed in the back ... had to work in a dysfunctional environment ... don't think another manager would have fared any better ... as Blind has shown by doing even worse) ... after all Hiddink has a helluva resume.

    He's tactically astute, a healing and stimulating people manager, very flexible compared to M.Olsen or the stubborn rigidity of LVG's sterile displays at MUFC, great at helping young talents integrate (has plenty of work cut out for him), experience at top (club) level + leading NTs (Holland 1998, S.Korea, Australia, Russia ... usually overperformed and didn't fail like LVG in 2002 with an extraordinary amount of world-class players), knows Russia well, feels comfy there and will put everybody at ease, has worked with some of our players (and admires the others + Belgian taxman), reportedly he's okay with earning low wages, is used to speaking Dutch and English (maybe even French ... got along with Hazard), there's a striker-trainer at PSV he could work well with, he's very relaxed when talking to the press, more than just fit into the organisation he'd improve it, etc.

    Hiddink can deliver attacking 4-3-3 football ... in 1998 he helped launch Rijkaard's managerial career ... like I said earlier, I'll always prefer a young promising manager ... the KBVB is looking for lots of experience ... yet they could invest in the likes of Y.Ferrera (or his mate) and get Hiddink to mentor him/another promising Belgian manager and prepare him to take over the reigns after Russia2018 (or introduce him to big clubs/reaping rewards later/paying it forward). I'm viewing Hiddink as a transitional manager and I also feel comfy knowing Hiddink likes to go out on a high note. Hiddink, LVG and the others ... weighing them up against each other ... I have to give it to Hiddink.
     
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  7. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    A silver lining ... we can save MPH for Qatar2020 ... those petro-dollars came with some strange experiences ... still, it's nonetheless beneficial to know what to expect ... MPH keeping a cool head around 00'25''

     
  8. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    Hiddink and LVG seem to be looking for the perfect swan song to walk out on (they're being mentioned a lot and they sound up for the job) ... reportedly Marcello Lippi, Rudi Garcia, Dick Advocaat, et al. are interested as well ... Vanhaezebrouck, MPH, Blanc, et al. made public that they won't be the next manager ... and Scifo resigned to show solidarity with Wilmots.

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    ... source

    http://www.belgianfootball.be/en/news/profile-head-coach ... Candidates can contact Chris Van Puyvelde by e-mail ... Chris don't be surprised when you find lots of e-mails from seemingly top candidates ... those are fake applications and although I've always attached a CV ... each of those files contains dick pics ... you now have the biggest collection.
     
  9. Gilma1990

    Gilma1990 Member+

    Jul 30, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perfect hire for you guys...

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  10. avdmeers

    avdmeers Member

    Nov 14, 2013
    Belgium
    Club:
    Atletico Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Hmm Klinsmann, interesting...
     
  11. Gilma1990

    Gilma1990 Member+

    Jul 30, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He is a World Cup winner! He will take you guys to the next level!

    He's limited with the US because we don't have the deep talent pool you guys have.
     
  12. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    Shortlist of 40 managers ... our next manager to be named near the end of next week (Thursday 11th?).
     
  13. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
  14. avdmeers

    avdmeers Member

    Nov 14, 2013
    Belgium
    Club:
    Atletico Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    *facepalm superdeluxe*

    So this is what an "accomplished" manager looks like according to the KBVB. The fact they took a decision a week too soon says enough. But fine, will give Martinez the benefit of the doubt, even though I shouldn't.
     
  15. ra_sriniketan

    ra_sriniketan Member

    Jul 5, 2010
    Any idea about his pros and cons?
     
  16. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
    Belgium
    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
    Club:
    Club Brugge KV
    How does he even conform to their own profile?

    Here is how it was outlined in their ad:

    Discover the desired profile of the new Belgian Red Devils’ head coach.


    • Experience and results in the currently fast changing world of football
    • Proven record in transmitting tactical and strategical knowledge to top level players
    • Proven record to be able to work with experts in modern high level football
    • Treating his own social and high performance context
    • Strong and open communicator
    • Ruling generation management
    • Proved to be able to operate in an existing structure and organisation + in full confidence being able to work with the team management, training facilities and financial, commercial and communication framework.

    Experience and results: One trophy and about seven years of managerial experience. I guess it's more than what Wilmots had, but... :rolleyes:

    Proven record in transmitting tactical and strategical knowledge: He was criticized for his lack of tactical variety with Everton. He also lost the dressing room by the end.

    Proven record to be able to work with experts: I guess?

    Treating his own social and high performance context: What does this even mean?

    Strong and open communicator: He does seem like an open, sociable man, so I guess he conforms to this aspect of the profile.
     
  17. Gorando

    Gorando Member

    Mar 12, 2008
    Belgium
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    They can't afford anything better. How many proven world class coaches would come for 1Mil a year?
     
  18. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    Puyvelde: "... when I called to some people I know around in England, they all said the same. Passion. Work hard. Clear." ... that's what was important to him. If you have PASHUN!!! ... chances are that you'll work hard ... so he just wanted a manager with passion for the job and who's also somebody that's "clear" ... it's unclear what he exactly means by "clear" ... could be a lot of things (could be positive things though) ... could also be just somebody who communicates openly and clearly (could even have been "stay clear" of Martinez).

    https://www.facebook.com/BelgianRedDevils/videos/889579861186753/

    IDK why we're such poorfags ... 3rd world countries pay better ... smaller 1st world economies as well ... Belgium is nowhere near where you'd expect (petit pays, petit esprit ... my ass) ... hopefully some journos can shed more light on our poorfaggotry and who we could have enticed instead of Martinez.

    Regardless ... he's the new Belgium manager now ... here's my salute to the shepherd of the devils

    AVE MARTINEZ!

     
  19. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    http://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20160804_02412530?utm_source=rtlnieuws

    There were talks with LVG ... who kept his promise to his wife and declined ... he also left the door open for a future application.

    Agreements were reached with R.Rangnick, R.Garcia and D.Advocaat ... and it was Jesse De Preter who convinced Martinez to apply ... in the end the FA preferred a younger manager ... who's more in touch with this generation of players.



    He IS a charming basterd ... and Everton were a joy to watch ... defensively they were woeful though.
     
  20. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
  21. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
    Belgium
    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
    Club:
    Club Brugge KV
    I will give him a chance, like I would have with any other appointment, but his last two seasons at Everton do not fill me with a lot of belief.
     
  22. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    #24 Blondo, Aug 10, 2016
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2016
    Looking at the highest paid NT managers (from the usual suspects within UEFA) ...

    England......Allardyce
    Italy............Ventura
    Turkey........Terim
    Germany....Löw
    Spain..........Lopetegui
    France........Deschamps
    Russia.........Cherchesov (TBA)
    Holland......Blind

    That's by no means a thrilling list ... and Löw has to digest plenty of criticism (as does Deschamps). Hodgson was paid between 6 to 7 times more than Wilmots ... it wouldn't be a big surprise when Allardyce's salary turns out to be 6x that of Martinez ... Holland probably will spend 3 to 4 times as much as we do (Advocaat won't tutor for free) ... while the other NTs on this list have even more money to throw around. I'm reconsidering my initial reaction ... compared to the others ... Martinez on the cheap looks like the best value for money.
    Both Guardiola and Martinez are disciples of Cruijff ... in that sense, they are in the same mould ... just nowhere near the same level and success. Martinez was being hailed as the coming man ... sure that has cooled down in the last 2 seasons ... still he's more than young enough to redeem himself and he does well in cup competitions ... that's what matters to us anyway.

    Despite Everton's defense being far from awesome, build-up play has been great to watch ... I even wouldn't put it past Martinez to help forge a defense that hardly ever concedes ... we have much better CBs (who helped out Wilmots a lot whenever they're fully fit), Martinez has used 3 ATB (I'm still a proponent) and he's bringing a club mentality to the job ... in offense, I'm looking for a break with Wilmots ... what I want for the future is exciting, stylish, fluid, courageous, sophisticated ... it's sparkling, it's free-flowing, it's attacking football ... with all due respect to the old farts, the geezers, the past ... Martinez deserves to be given time to prove himself ... he might do a magnificent job, he might not ... in any case it will be entertaining.
     
  23. Rode Duivels fan

    Apr 16, 2010
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Was not hugely impressed when he was announced as manager (though I really liked his early work at Everton and some of the stuff he tried at Wigan). Defensively we were quite poor this tournament, partially due to tactics, partially due to injuries. And even though we know defensive tactics work (see Portugal), as I've gotten older I care less about the winning and more about how entertaining and pleasing the football I'm watching is.
    I'm pretty excited to see a really aggressive, open Belgium that will just try to outscore teams; that could be really fun. It's hard to win tournaments like that, but people still remember Holland in 1974 and Brazil in 1982 and even Russia in 2008. This tournament was just terrible to watch, and almost turned me off international play, so it'd be nice to see someone get away from 'defend, defend, defend, counter, defend, defend, corner/set piece' mentality.
     

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