Evidence? What evidence? I think you are taking this a little too personally because the Mexican fans have given you grief about your support for Carleton. But, no, I saw both at the u17 level and their progression and Pulisic was clearly special, better than anything I've seen from an American youth at the same age, including Carleton and Sargent. It's not ignorance, at all. Pulisic was playing, and dominating, at the Dortmund youth ranks at 16 and playing in the Bundelsliga, and scoring, at age 17. He's ahead, and better than, Carleton, at this point, in terms of production, quality of play and performance.
Or maybe you are just ignorant on the situation and watching one or two games at a certain level does not qualify you to speak on this as well as people like Shawn or myself who have watched a lot more of these players at the U-17 level. Please don't try to assert that I am taking it personal. I don't take anything here personally, what I don't like is when people who have a fraction of information that I have try to assert that they know more than I do when they clearly are making a very flawed argument based on not having enough information. Less than two years ago, I was told by many people that Haji Wright was just the next Quivas Kirk or Stefan Jerome based off two U-17 games, even though if you had watched the guy more than just two games, it was a laughable claim. Now those same people cheer him and prop him up, and forget the crazy small sample comments they made. Jerome Kiessewetter, Romain Gall were supposed to be stars..............if you watched like 6 games of their career, and only those games. Looking at your posting history in the youth section, you've made one comment in that section in the last year. I don't know, maybe you watch all these games, and just don't post, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I've seen this argument (without actually having real info on its validity) put forth by many people who just want to believe this narrative that from the beginning that Pulisic was some incredible prodigy from day 1 who was unrivaled. Its just never been true. Wright was flat out better than Pulisic year one, Pulisic was very good his last year with the U-17's, especially at the U-17 WC, but his overall body of work there was not great, it was merely good. Frankly, if anyone takes anything personal, its those who defend Pulisic so vehemently that we are painted into a corner of "supposedly" not liking the player because we refuse to believe he's some messiah who no other player could ever reach. And FWIW, I do not believe Carleton is currently a better prospect than Pulisic, I'm merely saying that what Shawn has said has a lot of validity to it, and a lot of people in the youth section who have watched a lot of these two say the same thing. Seems like those who haven't watched much of either at the U-17 level are mostly the ones who are sure on this.
I'm not sure what the threshold of viewing games and posting in the youth team section is for being as non-ignorant and smart as you and shawn on the topic, but I feel pretty confident in what I've seen to stand by my comments. The comment by shawn that there was an argument to be made that Carleton is more skilled than Pulisic was at the same age. Carleton is 17, just having a birthday. I don't think him playing well in preseason games and league cup games against so-so competition is really a good argument in this regards.
Different situations as I stated in my post, but if you watch both of them at the same age carleton exudes more skill, Pulisic is definitely more athletic though.
What has Pulisic actually done besides play for dortmund? He's just a rotational player while the players I've mentioned have been important for liga mx finalists the past year
You're joking, right? Pulisic played in nearly every game this year for the quarterfinalist in the Champion's League, scoring the decisive goal to send Dortmund past Benfica in the Round of 16 and had 7 goals with 12 assists during the season. That is significantly more impressive than whatever was done by guys in the Liga MX finals. I know this "just a rotational player" line has caught steam with the Mexican posters here, but it's still beyond stupid. It suggests the kid plays sporatically for Dortmund and that isn't true. He played nearly every game, and had 22 starts, for a team well beyond what Alvarez and Pineda were playing. Those two wouldn't sniff the field for Dortmund.
Having the best young player means nothing if you can't win this current garbage Bootleg Gold Cup. I'll let the naddies have the best young player for the rest of eternity if it means we'd do better at the WC every cycle. But again, this current GC is that copy of Makaveli you find at the swap meet on some memorex tape where it says "toopack" written in Bic pen. Mexico is not supposed to win since our A team went to the CC. The nads have the advantage over all other teams due to population, so it's a gigantic L if they don't win this Bootleg Swap Meet Imitation GC.
Davies just scored vs CR, his 3rd GC goal!!! 3 goals in 2 games 3 goals in 3 games for Canada! A 1 goal ratio!!
Time to have that serious conversation. At 16 he's lifting a mediocre team on his shoulders past Costa Rica. Pulisic is talented but he ain't even close to lift Dortmund or the US teams on his shoulders. Davies has a higher ceiling that Pulisic. I say Lainez has the pure raw skills.
wow good job, he is just 16 years old, alot earlier than Pulisic debuted, but Davies is also scoring, hes going to be a great player for you guys
Davies > Carleton Carleton who hasnt even debuted for his club team while Davies has and scored for his NT team, really no argument there
he also has been a huge nuisance towards the CR defense with how he's so fast and almost made it in solo a few times with his dribbling past players.