its still friendlies. if they were so damn competetive all the time, pele and his teammates wouldnt be able to play more then 100 games in a season like they did back then. i think its fair to say that alot of those games were played like friendlies. wouldnt you agree?
No I wouldn't agree,when you have a team that is considered to be the best in the world,and a player who is considered to be phenom and also the best in the world,nobody that plays them will take them lightly and play them "friendly" as you put it.
Pele actually only played more than 80 games (including friendlies) in a season 3 times - 102 in 1959 and 82 in 60 and 68. Over 21 full seasons he averaged 65 games per year. Some of the top modern players will match that currently. https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143230 Thanks again to Gregoriak.
tell any professional player today that he has to play competetive games at this rate year.........games / goals 1957 ..........073 / 065 1958 ..........068 / 089 1959 ..........103 / 127 1960 ..........082 / 074 1961 ..........075 / 111 1962 ..........059 / 073 1963 ..........059 / 074 1964 ..........050 / 060 1965 ..........074 / 105 1966 ..........051 / 042 1967 ..........065 / 055 1968 ..........082 / 059 1969 ..........078 / 068 1970 ..........075 / 059 1971 ..........074 / 030 1972 ..........074 / 050 1973 ..........067 / 053 and he will hang up his boots immediately
What are the "weird ass brasilian cups" your referring to? Taça Brasil? Rio-São Paulo? Campeonato Paulista? Can you elaborate? Don't forget the Brasilian league was one of the stongest in the world if not THE strongest in those days because many players played in there home countries.Some of the best players in the world played in the Brasilian league thus making it one of the most if not THE most competitive in the world in those days. So again,what are the "weird ass cups" your referring to? And as far as 500+ goals being in friendlies,what makes you think or say that the friendlies in those days were played like they are today specially against a team Internationally considered at one point the best in the world along with Real Madrid? Even NOW a days,when there is a massive team like Brasil or Real Madrid opponents give it there ALL friendly or not,imagine back then. Even if you refuse to accept that the friendlies in those days against Santos were not like friendlies you watch now a days,500 goals is 500 goals,are people supposed to say "well he did score 500 goals,but they were friendlies so they are worth about 50 goals or not worth much in my book"? Furthermore,even if you do want to consider the 500 goals not a big deal (which would be absurd),you still have 758 goals he scored besides friendlies.
im refering to the cups he played. no im not suggesting theyre worth 50 goals. im saying theyre worth nothing. yeah ive never said anything against the official goals he scored.
That's all games at all levels, and yes 100 games is insane but look at someone like Frank Lampard - 38 League Games, 10+ Champions League, 5+ Domestic Cups, 7+ Internationals. That's 60+ games - throw in a handful of pre-season friendlies and it's comparable to many of Pele's seasons. Also, when Liverpool were successful in Europe in the 70's and 80's Phil Neal was regularly playing 70+ games a year with internationals.
Interesting........So what were you implying when you said "sure. like it states in that stat sheet peles total included goals in all kinda weird ass brazilian cups"?
you wouldnt survive that kind of schedule over that long a period. unless some were friendlies. which you guys try and deny they were because santos were so great. its bulls***.
Nice job trying to put a spin on this. When Lanman provided the info that showed he still is comfortably the scoring leader with 758 goals in official games,you said: "sure. like it states in that stat sheet peles total included goals in all kinda weird ass brazilian cups" Clearly your implying that in some way these cups were weak or inferior to other cup.Why else would you even say anything about the stat sheet not including "goals in all kinda weird ass brazilian cups"? Why wouldn't you question the stat sheet for not including goals in the Libertadores or Intercontinental cups? You know what you meant by this but you probably didn't realize the Brasilian league was one of the strongest in the world in those days.
You're not talking about any professional player, you're talking about Pelé You should try and get some knowledge on football history Back in those days, clubs played a lot more matched than today simply because they had to in order to survive There was no TV nor all the marketing and money behind it And players had to play a lot of matches in order to make money - there was no astronomical sized salaries as we are used to see nowadays
At the moment closing in on 100 votes (90) the BigSoccer Top 5 Brasilian footballers of all-time list Is: 1) Pelé 2) Garrincha 3) Ronaldo 4) Zico 5) Romário
Is understandable since I'm sure a lot of those 100 voters have not witnessed Romário's entire career.
Well personally I rate Ronaldo higher then Romário myself although I wouldn't put Ronaldo at 3 all-time just yet.
I've never seen a better striker than Romario. But I don't know if he is top 3. The competition is too tough...
Ronaldinho is 25 and by the end of his career will surely be among the greatest ever. I could only choose 16 players for the list and Ronaldinho just wasn't one of them at this point. Many other players on the list proved themselves for years,I think it would have been unfair to put Ronaldinho in there and take away a player that was consistently great throughout his whole career. As for your question am I a Madrid fan.I love football and watch all teams,however my team is Cruzeiro Esporte Clube and nobody else.