Which team is Concacaf's Sleeping Giant?

Discussion in 'CONCACAF' started by waltlantz, Jul 19, 2018.

  1. waltlantz

    waltlantz Member

    Jul 6, 2010
    A more apt question is which Concacaf team has the most unrealized potential but the above title is snappier.

    What do you guys think? US and Mexico aside, what is a team that has significant upside?

    Costa Rica is an established Central American power but how much further can they go?

    Can Panama equal their feats and become a rival to Los Ticos after making history in 2018?

    I would like to see a strong Jamaican side to assert itself as the perennial Carribean representative. Am I the only one who thinks they've underachieved since 98? I dont know why but always felt they should be better.
     
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  2. slaminsams

    slaminsams Member+

    Mar 22, 2010
    Not I think Jamaica given who they could potentially call up is underachieving. The D.R. could certainly be doing better than they have. Guatemala and Canada are others that come to mind
     
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  3. edcalvi

    edcalvi Moderator
    Staff Member

    Atlético Madrid
    May 1, 2005
    Nevada
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Suriname, and the Dutch islands like Curaçao.
     
  4. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. The only thing standing between being insignificant and a force to reckon with is in fact a competent, visionary FA, backed by their gouvernment. Just look at Iceland and what they did do to come to the point they are now!
    They were twice in a qualifying group with odds against them. For the WC2018 they ended above the later finalist Croatia!
     
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  6. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Canada. We're going back to our pre 90s status ad regional power with the likes of Alphonso Davies, Liam Millar, Jonathan David, Cyle Larin, Lucas Cavallini, Junior Hoilett and Scott Arfield.

    Our new top league starts next spring and more players are coming
     
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  7. jagum

    jagum Member

    Montreal Impact
    Venezuela
    Jun 20, 2007
    Panama City, Panama
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Venezuela
    Agree. Canada had an excellent stage between the 70's and 90's . Almost qualified to Argentina 78 and Spain 82.
    At that time the final
    hexagonal was made in a specific venue: 1977 in Mexico City (4th place) , 1981 Tegucigalpa (4th place ) .
    f they had been home and away games maybe Canada would have classified before.
    We must remember that at that time Canada was far superior to the USA and they won or tied away matches .
     
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  8. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In 1978, Mexico was the only team to qualify. They won all 5 games in the last round, which was 10 points then. Canada was fourth with 2 wins, 1 draw, and 2 losses. In 1982, Canada was closer, but still the second team out. Honduras qualified with 8 points, El Salvador qualified with 6, Mexico had 5 and a +3 goal differential, and Canada had 5 and a +0. I don't know what the tiebreakers were back then, but the game between Canada and Mexico was a draw, so head-to-head couldn't have decided who was higher. CONCACAF had 15 teams attempt to qualify for 1982.
     
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  10. edcalvi

    edcalvi Moderator
    Staff Member

    Atlético Madrid
    May 1, 2005
    Nevada
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Clubs have an advantage over NTs. They're together way more often and practice daily.

    Suriname is still a minnow and would obviously get trashed by a European club.
     
  11. Willy4TLS

    Willy4TLS New Member

    Nov 26, 2017
    Canada, hands down.
     
  12. Willy4TLS

    Willy4TLS New Member

    Nov 26, 2017
    Ok last week they were far far away from being significance, but what about the 1970s when Suriname's top clubs and the Dutch's top clubs met in the Netherlands in the same period as the Dutch league reached its peak.
     
  13. Willy4TLS

    Willy4TLS New Member

    Nov 26, 2017
    This thread is not clear in whatever to discuss the historical context or just reflected the current situation.
     
  14. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Oki, J-pan
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The first sentence in the OP explains it pretty clearly.
     
  15. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Pachuca, Hidalgo
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
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  16. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wikipedia says it will start in April.
     
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  17. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    It is called the Canadian Premier League
    [​IMG]

    1. The logo color will change to match each team's colors on the kit
    2. The red logo on the kit will be used by Canada day, Canadian Championship games and Champions League games
    3. As of 2020, the defending champion will have a gold CPL logo
    Promotion/Relegation
    The league will launch a Division II tier in 2026 and start at pro/rel structure. The plan is to grow the league up to that point and split it in half to create 2 National league from coast to coast

    The league announced that it would also start Division III which heavily implies the takeover of current regional leagues under its umbrella.

    League structure
    There will be no conference.

    It will be single table with no playoffs.

    The CSA has already started the process of getting extra berth for Canada to qualify for the Champions League. Any extra berths will be hand over to the Canadian Premier League champions and potentially the runner up.

    The season will be 28 games long from April to October.

    No All-Star games, friendlies are planned.

    Teams
    (
    From left to right after the league logo)
    [​IMG]

    1. Pacific FC, Greater Victoria, British Columbia
    2. Cavalry FC, Calgary, Alberta
    3. FC Edmonton, Edmonton, Alberta
    4. Valour FC, Winnipeg, Manitoba
    5. Forge FC, Hamilton, Ontario
    6. York 9 FC, York Region, Ontario
    7. HFX Wanderers, Halifax, Nova Scotia
    8. Ottawa Fury, Ottawa Ontario*
    *Strong clues points out to Ottawa Fury leaving USL to upgrade to CPL as it's unlikely that the CSA will allow them to stay.

    **CPL is in talks with 18 cities to join the league

    ***MLS teams Toronto FC, Montreal Impact and Vancouver Whitecaps will not be forced into CPL. However, the CSA still holds all the cards and have the final say on where they ultimately play.

    Rosters
    • Half the roster will have to be Canadian
    • 6 players out of 11 will have to be Canadian at all time
    • Minimum dedicated minutes might be allocated to youth players.
    The rosters will be built by drawing on 5 pools
    1. Foundationals: Canadians playing in top leagues and National team members
    2. Up and coming: Young Canadians playing in D2 or less around the world
    3. Homegrown: Teams will have the 1st chance to sign youth players in their respective territories to a contract
    4. Colleges and Universities: CPL is in talk with U-Sports (Canadian University network which surprisingly have over 50 teams) to implement a draft
    5. Open Market: International players
     
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  18. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still of the opinion that the CPL champion should participate in the Concacaf League.
     
  19. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Pachuca, Hidalgo
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Why don't they?
     
  20. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Might be because there is no CPL champ yet ;)

    But we'll see if Montagliani can pull some strings...
     
  21. db2202000

    db2202000 New Member

    Fulham
    United States
    Sep 12, 2018
    Canada's a good choice, they have some good young talent, but I'm going to give a vote to Dominican Republic. Large population, they've had good results recently, I could see them challenging for a Gold Cup spot.
     
  22. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They've been challenging for a Gold Cup spot, and would've qualified for 2013 if Miguel Lloyd didn't have the worst game of his life against Trinidad and Tobago in the 2012 Caribbean Cup when the Dominicans were actually favored to beat them and grab a berth.
     
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  23. db2202000

    db2202000 New Member

    Fulham
    United States
    Sep 12, 2018
    I'm referring to qualifying during this cycle, and building toward the future. And sorry, making 2 Caribbean Cups out of 18 and nearly getting out of the group once doesn't qualify for me as consistently challenging for a spot in the Gold Cup.
     
  24. edcalvi

    edcalvi Moderator
    Staff Member

    Atlético Madrid
    May 1, 2005
    Nevada
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    The DR reminds me of Panama of the 90s. Panama was bad because they focused mostly on baseball.

    The DR has a large population and is also economically stable, has relatively good infrastructure. If they focused more on football they can improve dramatically.
     
  25. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Dominican Republic is improving in soccer, they have the potential but Haiti is WAY ahead of them in terms of talent
     
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